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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: mo_town on October 05, 2023, 08:06:19 AM
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The ODI World Cup starts today in India!! Should be an exciting tournament with most teams looking in great form. It will be interesting to see what kind of pitches are on offer across the country with varied weather conditions. May the best team win!
The first match; Eng vs NZ should be a cracker of a contest!
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Disappointed Brook didn't kick on, he was looking so good.
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This looks like it could be a b*mming!
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Big worries for Eng. It is probably easier to bat under lights so could be the pattern in this world cup. That was too easy for NZ.
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Well that was a demolition of England. As on fire as our batting can be our bowling can look a bit all to easy in ODI sometimes but still back England to qualify from the group
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Just watching the highlights and I know it’s the biggest stadium in the world but they can’t be more then a couple of thousand spectators there for two of the best teams in world cricket? Not good surely for a world tournament the ICC could have done something to support free tickets, schools etc. doesn’t feel like a WC opening game
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Thought we were still playing a warm up game... ;)
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Just watching the highlights and I know it’s the biggest stadium in the world but they can’t be more then a couple of thousand spectators there for two of the best teams in world cricket? Not good surely for a world tournament the ICC could have done something to support free tickets, schools etc. doesn’t feel like a WC opening game
Yes it was very disappointing. Lots of talk that they should have had India playing the first match but these are two of the best teams in the world. Sadly the match didnt stand up to the billing but nonetheless. Hope this isnt the case with the rest of the matches with only India matches being houseful.
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Quite an exciting weekend with some great performances. SA were ruthless against SL. Will be interesting to see if they can replicate that against bigger oppositions. Also, what a contrast the location provides in the same country. Delhi was a road where as Chennai was a minefield. I really enjoyed the Ind vs Aus match. That is how pitches should be for ODIs. Leave the roads for T20.
Sadly the talking about about the beautiful Dharmashala ground was the condition of the outfield. It reminded me of the kind of outfields we get in village cricket when it rains a lot. Surely, ICC should take a look at that as it is a big risk for any teams playing there. Last thing you need is for someone to get injured when diving in the outfield!
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So far the biggest letdown is the crowd. I remember when it was FIFA WC 2023, each game had decent crowd. Last 2019 WC, it was in UK and crowd was amazing and every team has support. So far, it has been rather lacklustre.
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Agreed. From what I have heard its been a mix of high ticket prices, poor availability(150,000 Ind-Pak tickets were recently released apparently) and also the hot weather. They really should have priced the tickets in a way which appeals to a lot of people. A friend said that on average, tickets were almost double the price of what they are sold for in IPL.
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..wonder if the Saffers will be filming online socials pieces proclaiming how quiet the Aussies were at tea/post match presentation ?
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18 overs 2 wickets for 135 runs SR67.5 economy of 7.5 is showing Woakes isn’t great with the new ball so far in this WC .
Would like to think England can chase this score down
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We are making a hash of the early round games. Need Stokes back he is a cool head and can get big match winning scores
Even on one leg he is essential to the team.
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Yep we look a long way off the last time we played a WC and a loss now to one of the smaller teams with all the big boys still to go
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I imagine England may just get 4th if they beat pak who are not great really hit and miss
Predicting india , SA, Nz and Eng as semi finalists
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We don't deserve to do well in a 50-over World Cup if don't have a proper 50-over domestic competition.
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We don't deserve to do well in a 50-over World Cup if don't have a proper 50-over domestic competition.
India seem to be doing rather well so far despite their internationals not playing in one
Which 50 over competitions were you thinking of that others countries play that we should look to?
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People keep calling it as the biggest upset but the truth is that Afg is a decent side with a strong world class bowling line up. The England bowling was a little disappointing. Woakes is a big concern. Not sure who else is there on the bench to replace him though.
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India seem to be doing rather well so far despite their internationals not playing in one
Which 50 over competitions were you thinking of that others countries play that we should look to?
Couldn't give a toss what other countries do.
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You're probably only parroting lines that Sky have fed you.
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People keep calling it as the biggest upset but the truth is that Afg is a decent side with a strong world class bowling line up. The England bowling was a little disappointing. Woakes is a big concern. Not sure who else is there on the bench to replace him though.
Wouldn't mind seeing Atkinson given a crack, offers something a bit different and genuine pace.
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I think Stokes will come in for S Curran, bowling wise both Woakes and Wood if it’s not moving just come onto the bat.
Topley is a different matter he is proving invaluable in this format.
We do have Willey in the squad also for another left armer and can hit at the end a bit
S Curran does get wickets regularly but batting wise he is not the all rounder perhaps we thought he might be
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If England don’t chase the 400 plus down
I can’t see them qualifying , something hasn’t felt right since butler and new coach took over
Could he just the players are not performing and nothing to do with butler captaincy but there will have to be some big changes post World Cup that’s if they consider 50 over a priority in the future
Prob some retirements tooo
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Pathetic
275 from 42 should never end in 399 from 50
We are a shadow of the 2019 team
Too many players past their best, too many easy selections
Mott and buttler have a lot to answer for, I think they'll stay on but it's not working
We have chosen to bowl twice on batting tracks then been chasing 30 (Vs afg) and 70 (Vs sa) too many
Theyll be ordering in flight meals in a few hours, can't see us beating anyone else but the Netherlands, and they'll fancy a good go at us, and maybe Sri Lanka
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We haven’t played well so far and I don’t think we have a cat in hells chance of chasing this.
Aside from the last 10 overs we have underestimated the heat in think to bat second.
We might just might scrape thru if we lose this but beat pakistan
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Aus in 4th are prob going to be the team that will cost England
Pak don’t seem much of a threat although pak made aus look really good yesterday
England already in big trouble
The 11 that are playing , who else could England have taken for the cup ? They are playing their best 11 but a few are past their best now .
Moeens not even playing
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This team doesn't have a leader or a clear plan of how they are going to play the game. With Eoin, you knew he was the man in charge and marshalled the troops to the best of their ability. But with Buttler, I forget he's even captain.
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I didn't think England would win this world cup, but I really didn't think they would be this bad
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Lol cricket karma is beautiful.
Pathetic England.
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So funny.
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We're not going to even make 100 at this rate!
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Buttler surely going to have to stand down after this shambles of a tournament.
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To be honest if we do scrape thru on other results we will not have deserved it.
Tail too long in this match by far.
Do agree thou with Morgan we had a plan and a cool head to get the best of players, missing that now but could also be the players are just a bit past their prime
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Who’s the successor
The coach mot needs to go too
Butler I’m sure Iv heard on comms in past as well as players butler is a quiet genius tactician
I would bring Mcallum in if he agreed and keep Butler
If butler goes fair enough but who’s succeeding ?
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Mcullum would be a great shout but I believe he told the red ball as he didn’t want to be away all the time with red and white ball teams.
Bowling is toothless with wood being so expensive and nothing to support rashid. Topley been good so far. Batting wise Crawley mabe, Rew maybe jacks, salt but no one expected Root to be this bad, JB pretty awful
So far as well stokes first game butler done nothing and keeping been average at best so far
Basically a shadow of 2019 and the red ball side of things
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The other angle is being a World Cup winning side and being so on top
Butler was always going to do less well
Ok not to this degree … very tough to take over from eoin
Stokes it was the opposite the red ball team were so poor ..
England can rebuild, stokes May as well retire again from odi after this ..
Along with
Moeen
Rashid
Roy not picked anyhow
Possibly others but not springing to mind . The above won’t play at the next World Cup
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Lol cricket karma is beautiful.
Pathetic England.
It's not done yet, Wood and Atkinson looking good here
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The other angle is being a World Cup winning side and being so on top
Butler was always going to do less well
Ok not to this degree … very tough to take over from eoin
Stokes it was the opposite the red ball team were so poor ..
England can rebuild, stokes May as well retire again from odi after this ..
Along with
Moeen
Rashid
Roy not picked anyhow
Possibly others but not springing to mind . The above won’t play at the next World Cup
Exactly is goes in circles. 2019 it all came together and we played to the maximum we could and then only just win it
Salt
Jacks
Hain maybe
Ahmed
There are others who could build up to the next one
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Some great licks by the last two wood and Atkinson
Woods SG absolutely flies
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England will need to win 5/5 remaining to get to I reckon and also improve their run rate substantially
I think along with pak they are out
The top 3 are pretty much confirmed … it’s all about 4th … it seems even if 5 games for nearly all teams to go each
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Sky subscription fodder. :o
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South Africa looking good I’d really like them to win it. England v disappointing. Buttler was the obvious choice as captain but was he the wrong choice?
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I think the next era of white ball cricket will be specialists in T20 or ODI, there's some excellent T20 cricketers in this England side who are just maybe not suited to 50 overs.
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I can hardly wait.
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Amazing game today for Afghanistan.
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Credit to afghan throughly deserved
Not taking anything away from them but Pakistan are really poor
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Credit to afghan throughly deserved
Not taking anything away from them but Pakistan are really poor
So are/were we! :D
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Wasn't ever convinced Pakistan were going to do well this tournament. A semi final place will/would have been an achievement.
More disappointed with England to be honest...
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Lots of us are… I think the Afghans win puts us bottom. It’s almost like 2015 where we seem to be so far behind how others are playing it’s inevitable we go out in the group stages.
Well done the Afghans poor Pakistan or not that is a great result.
Roots interview today reported in the Guardian is quite telling and worth noting before anyone jumps in he is not making excuses for our poor performance.
He does highlight the problem thou, 2027 WC is 50 overs so to marginalise it domestically makes no sense to me anyway.
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I saw root backing butler which was inevitable
I think butler may be retained as captain but coach prob will need to go
Also player changes incoming, Butler May way as well go and open with bairstow and just take the lead for rest of tournament
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Pakistan are under cooked. All those home wins against B/C sides sent by countries made them no.1 ODI team but in reality they have lots of areas to improve.
Still cant figure out why Eng have struggled so much. On paper they have all the boxes ticked. Strong and deep batting lineup, decent spin options, decent seam attack with a genuine quick or two. Why are they struggling so much? Cant believe they were relying on a Sam Curran that much.
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Doh!
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Still cant figure out why Eng have struggled so much. On paper they have all the boxes ticked. Strong and deep batting lineup, decent spin options, decent seam attack with a genuine quick or two. Why are they struggling so much? Cant believe they were relying on a Sam Curran that much.
Three things for me.
1. I think people under appreciate just how good a captain Morgan was.
2. Archer (injury) and Plunkett (age) are huge losses to the bowling attack.
3. The tournament is being played in conditions where England have never had much success
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I think it's never properly appreciated just how important Jason Roy was to the 2019 England side.
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Glenn Maxwell. 40 ball World Cup hundred. The fastest ever in World Cup history. Victorian. Adopted Indian. Solid.
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Glenn Maxwell. 40 ball World Cup hundred. The fastest ever in World Cup history. Victorian. Adopted Indian. Solid.
My goodness, what a knock! So many amazing stats: only came to the crease in the 39th over, first 50 off 27 balls, second 50 off 13...
I've only seen a few of the highlighted shots so far, but out of those, the reverse hook (is that even a thing?!) for 6 was so nice. The reverse flick (?!) even more so. Gonna have to watch the whole thing back. Shouldn't take long!
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Bad day for Netherlands after that dream day against SA. Talk about highs and lows!
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Some horrible ways to get out from England today. Look a shadow of the team they had a few years ago.
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I don't really understand how we have become so poo, so fast!
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Time to come home.
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England’s team selection or squad selection was just poor.
Sam Curran was picked for what reason? If you pick Woakes, why you need Curran? A mid 120kph lollipop “bowler” isn’t gonna cut it in India.
Liam Livingstone? God awful.
Leaving out Jason Roy or another aggressive opener was a key error.
You pick either Malan or Root. You don’t need both.
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England’s team selection or squad selection was just poor.
Sam Curran was picked for what reason? If you pick Woakes, why you need Curran? A mid 120kph lollipop “bowler” isn’t gonna cut it in India.
Liam Livingstone? God awful.
Leaving out Jason Roy or another aggressive opener was a key error.
You pick either Malan or Root. You don’t need both.
Don't disagree that the squad selection was poor, but not sure Root vs Malan is the issue. Those two are the top two run scorers so far and there's plenty scope for both if anyone else was scoring runs around them.
To my mind, they've not played enough ODI cricket with their "best" team, spent far too long shuffling players in and out, and as a result they still didn't know their best side when selecting players.
Duckett - known to be excellent against spin - not selected, Brook picked on form in other formats and not given sufficient time to learn ODI cricket, etc.
Muddled thinking on all fronts - Archer taken as travelling reserve while still goosed, Brook/Roy being left to the last second, players picked on T20 form not ODI...
Management of the campaign and the build up has been shambolic. Hopefully lessons will be learned and they'll start developing a core squad of ODI players who play regularly and play together. Big clear out of the ODI squad incoming so there is a chance for a rebuild.
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Lowest total at the ground. Well, that's one record for England's campaign 😳
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I don't really understand how we have become so poo, so fast!
Do you not?
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If there's going to be a clearout, I'd love to know where the new players are going to come from.
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If there's going to be a clearout, I'd love to know where the new players are going to come from.
Ben Duckett, Sam Hain, Rehan Ahmed, Brydon Carse, Will Jacks, Phil Salt, possibly even Zak Crawley in 50 over cricket, and that's just off the top of my head. There's plenty talent in England. It's about managing it, building a team that understands their roles and how to play different situations, and actually playing enough ODI cricket.
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Fancy Ollie Pope will make quite a good ODI player if he ever gets a go, plus Ben Foakes is an excellent 50 over player already. The top tier of county prospects have played plenty of 50 over games, it's the real young ones who won't have.
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Pope has the range of shots for sure, Foakes had a cracking knock against Ireland a few years ago IIRC.
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Does the World Cup exit reflect badly even more so a day on going back to who got contracts and who didn’t
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Ben Duckett, Sam Hain, Rehan Ahmed, Brydon Carse, Will Jacks, Phil Salt, possibly even Zak Crawley in 50 over cricket, and that's just off the top of my head.
Good luck with that.
Off the top of your head? Fancy!
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Is Billings the captain in waiting?
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Is Billings the captain in waiting?
Resigning the Kent captaincy should see him ideally placed?
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Is Billings the captain in waiting?
I think maybe if he was a few years younger but his chance with England seems to have been and gone. Crawley and Pope seem to be the ones they fancy for leadership roles at the moment.
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I think maybe if he was a few years younger but his chance with England seems to have been and gone. Crawley and Pope seem to be the ones they fancy for leadership roles at the moment.
Crawley has it all. A classic 'face fits' 'chosen one' that encapsulates English cricket. A rich Daddy who's buddies with Keysey; the background, the education, the ability, the constant backing that other players haven't. May as well give him even more than he already has and give him the captaincy. Or go the opposite
end of the spectrum and give it to........ Ollie Pope lol
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There's a few reputations who've just taken a dent - Woakes, Moeen, Wood, Root, Bairstow (possibly), Buttler (hmmmm), Curran
too much 20 over - not enough 50 over?
The likes of Roy, Salt, that kid from Somerset, Ahmed, Carse, Atkinson, Jacks and several others must be licking their lips.
Maybe 50 over cricket is now the way in to International reckonimg?
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England should focus on separating their squads for each format. They have so much talent being wasted.
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We need to focus on our domestic 50 over as well more, the players mentality looks like it’s just in t20 mode all the time
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All these excuses about not enough 50 overs cricket. Which other teams have been playing a lot of the format? They are just excuses. I blame the captaincy. Buttler doesnt look like one who knows what he is doing and seems short on confidence. He has to go. They might as well get someone young and blood them in the role. A reset is needed. Out with the old, in with the new.
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Not a single person has mentioned the H word. Funny that.
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Maybe 50 over cricket is now the way in to International reckonimg?
Gus Atkinson must be thinking that. He'd played two games of 50-over cricket before being called up.
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What a thriller between SA and Pak. That was the first proper close encounter in this world cup. Loved the pitch. It has something for everyone!
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Another cracking game today between NZ and the Aussies.
Also England's run to the final starts tomorrow with the game against India...
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God our top order is so out of form at the moment decent brokering display but our batting is as flakey at the top order in this worldcup as it used to be in test cricket. Almost a guarantee to be 30 odd for 3 in this WC within 5overs
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How we have gone from such a good team some of us could pick a 16 man 11 to this bad within a couple of months is baffling.
We do not deserve anything from this tournament if we are honest.
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Don't worry, we'll have Crawley, Duckett and Hain next time. ;)
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How we have gone from such a good team some of us could pick a 16 man 11 to this bad within a couple of months is baffling.
We do not deserve anything from this tournament if we are honest.
Perhaps you were having wool pulled over your eyes?
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Perhaps you were having wool pulled over your eyes?
No not at all.
Quite how we have got this bad in a short space of time is what I don’t get.
It’s been a golden period for Englands one day/T20 side.
Perhaps you’re 13 so don’t remember anything prior to 2019
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Stokes root and Bairstow who have been world class players right up there suddenly look very average
I forgot about butler , that’s 4 world class players
All 4 haven’t really done much all tournament
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India look like winners from the very beginning
Although there’s likely a twist …
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Can't believe I'm agreeing with @Thor Odin’s Son, but that was indeed pathetic!
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No not at all.
Perhaps you’re 13 so don’t remember anything prior to 2019
I can remember, as far back as 2019, a lot of people predicting just how badly England would do in this tournament. We must hang out in different places?
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I feel like confidence is such a key thing in sport especially in big tournaments. It feels like Eng never recovered from the first knock out punch in their opening match vs NZ. The match against SA was lost due to a captaining blunder. You put your players out in that blistering heat and let SA pummel you down. Its impossible to believe that its the batting that is letting this team down. I would understand if they scored 350 and oppositions chased it down.
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They've definitely moved away from the blueprint that made the 2019 side so good, it's not as simple as that but it's surely a contributory factor.
- No second explosive opener, Malan is a wonderful cricketer but different mould to Roy and Bairstow.
- No middle overs specialist seamer, Plunkett had the skillset and attributes to excel through the middle overs. Not convinced any of the current squad fit this description.
- Livingstone has not been the replacement for Moeen they presumably hoped and Moeen is not the player he was 4 years ago.
Etc etc.
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Roy has been pretty aweful in recent times and was not fit just before World Cup
Nothing suggests he would have done any differnt , without him being there we don’t know …but his form and fitness was an issue
No replacement to Roy in squad as a like for like didn’t help although india have rohit as explosive and Gill pkays around him …
2019 World Cup they had good results but a rocky period where they lost 3 and lucky to win the cup
No archer and plunkett must be a loss … altboigh in india who knows how they would have done ..
Livingstone hasn’t loved to the mark but neither have butler , bairstow , stokes or root
Moeen didn’t even make the best 11 in 2019 World Cup
They all haven’t performed as a group , just one of them things ….
Some need to retire and perhaps they need Morgan as coach …
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I don’t think we knew our best side before the games started and that’s a bad reflection of the management. We could all pick 16 and maybe 22 we have so many good one day players.
We also changed our tactics, Stokes has to play but we went from all rounders to a tail starting at 8 then back to all rounders again-that cannot be right it should be minimal changes to get him back.
Nearly everyone has experience of IPL so that makes it even more odd we haven’t got at least to the final stages.
I also think Butler is wasted batting so far down….you have to set the tone and look how other teams have done that. For out and out destructiveness Butler is capable of match changing hundreds.
It’s a bit like 2015 where we need to find a method to play.
We have been absolutely awful.
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Leaving out Roy was a bad decision. The X-factor is missing. Bairstow looks out of sorts. He might have failed but at least it was worth a try.
Not sure why Brooks was dropped after getting runs too
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I can't remember many of England's ODIs since 2019 if I'm honest.
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If anyone is in honest, they wouldn't have picked much of a different top order before the start of the tournament. The players just haven't performed.
Bairstow, Malan, Root, Brook, Stokes, Butler is (on paper) a very very good top 6, they should be getting more runs than they have. So, rather than looking at who did or didn't play, it's more a question of why they haven't performed anywhere near their ability.
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If anyone is in honest, they wouldn't have picked much of a different top order before the start of the tournament. The players just haven't performed.
Bairstow, Malan, Root, Brook, Stokes, Butler is (on paper) a very very good top 6, they should be getting more runs than they have. So, rather than looking at who did or didn't play, it's more a question of why they haven't performed anywhere near their ability.
Agree after bowling India out for under 250, they should have gotten that score, even if they struggled a little. It was inconceivable that they wouldn't get it,but lo and behold...
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Team just didn’t perform
Butler looks like he is unsure why either and the coach
Unless butler gives it up I think butler will retain role, he can’t be blamed for top players all not performing when they are all saying no issues in dressing room .
Just a bad tournament and big questions to answer ..
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After seeing this World Cup with England team, it makes you appreciate the talent and leadership skills Morgan possessed. I always enjoy his batting as a player but he was phenomenal as a captain.
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Just aside whenever I watched Morgan captain his ipl side they tended to be quite average
It is franchise cricket and his record as international captain is what counts ..
However unless I’m wrong it did not translate to the ipl … happy to be corrected
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Mott has to go. His position is totally untenable.
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Someone has to go and will likely be Mott
Mickey Arthur for pak is useless too
England unlikely to qualify champions trophy too …
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Sounds like Morgan is hinting at a divisive and unsettled dressing room. Of course these rumours only ever get mentioned when we lose.
He could be putting forward his case to be the next coach or have some inside angle with players in the team.
Makes it much easier to find something to blame as fans of course but a lot of us think we have just not performed anywhere near our potential on the field
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When teams lose badly even in recreational cricket ppl get unhappy and start saying stuff even if they got on and had no issues before
All natural stuff
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I'm not sure they have prepared well enough for the World Cup - also players may have some fatigue. Its been a hectic 12 months for the majority that has included the t20 WC, IPL, 5 Ashes Tests in the space of 8 weeks, August for Hundred then they tried some 50 over games but rain ruined some of that schedule.
They are not a bad side but just haven't got going. Yesterdays bowling and fielding performance was up there with some of the best this World Cup. This was a grafters wicket and they should of seen how Rohit, KL & Sky approached their innings.
I think this whole lets put pressure back on the bowlers sometimes takes away the lets play the situation (pitch, bowlers, run rate required etc) .
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It was an interesting post match discussion between Nasser and Morgan...Nasser being the traditionalist was pushing the point about soaking up pressure and play the waiting game but Morgan was of the opinion that players should do what comes naturally to them otherwise doing something that doesnt come naturally to someone can lead to their downfall.
I am with Morgan on that point. You know what your strengths are and play to your strengths. Dont try something that doesnt come naturally to you. Having said that there was a couple of poor judgement calls from Root and Stokes. Just dont think Ben Stokes is really into it at all. England should have invested a little in young an exciting rather than completely sticking to tried and tested. None of the senior players seem to have a fire in them to do well.
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Stokes' participation is going to look very daft if his delayed surgery keeps him out of tests. I know he's an absolute talisman but he's visibly suffering through this injury.
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How much do we think England will change before Saturday? As they surely can't continue the same... Livingstone to open in the Roy role with Bairstow and then Malan/Root/Brook/Buttler/Moeen?
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How much do we think England will change before Saturday? As they surely can't continue the same... Livingstone to open in the Roy role with Bairstow and then Malan/Root/Brook/Buttler/Moeen?
Don't hate that at all. Bit more impetus up top, move Root to try and get him back into nick, take the pressure off Malan to score quickly early doors a bit.
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So Glenn Maxwell “fell out off a golf buggy” and is concussed. He will not play again England.
I swear they find more and more non cricket ways to injury themselves…smh.
Elsewhere water is wet, South Africa piled the runs on against New Zealand. Someone could pip New Zealand for a top 4 spot…
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Sri Lanka decide to bowl first in the roasting heat…get pummelled.
World Cup where brains seemingly aren’t used…
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SL making us look good at the moment!!
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Shami, not good enough to get into the home team’s starting XI a couple of weeks ago.
Subsequently he’s gone:
5/54
4/22
5/18
Not bad lol
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Sri Lanka's decision to bowl first just doesnt make sense. I am not sure what they were looking to achieve. Mind you, the result would probably have been the same but surely based on other matches so far the sensible thing would have been to bat first.
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Trying to think if iv ever seen root and YJB so out of form? Butler yea is test cricket but those 3 combined have been awful this WC
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Struggling to see what Livingston offers to this side, surely selecting Harry brook ahead of him would be a better option
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Bairstow 34 years old
Malan 36 years old
Root 33 years old
Stokes 32 years old
Buttler 33 years old
Moeen 36 years old
Rashid 35 years old
Woakes 34 years old
Pretty much a given none of these be the next 50 over World Cup
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Bairstow 34 years old
Malan 36 years old
Root 33 years old
Stokes 32 years old
Buttler 33 years old
Moeen 36 years old
Rashid 35 years old
Woakes 34 years old
Pretty much a given none of these be the next 50 over World Cup
Thought you were gonna just say these guys have been there and done it, and are past there prime for this tournament
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Thought you were gonna just say these guys have been there and done it, and are past there prime for this tournament
Well time doesn’t wait for anyone…
Just to make you Poms happy, Steven Smith is more washed as an ODI batsmen than any of the ones I listed above…
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The thing with that list, is that anytime would have picked at least 6 out of the 8. I'm not sure Woakes in India is that effective and Moen is past his best, but who would you pay instead at this time.
The Aussies deserved it, Zampa had a great game. Still think it's Indias to on lose, not South Africa are looking really strong too
They're world class players, but they just haven't performed. Only they will know why. We have to start looking ahead and I found it baffling that Brook didn't play today, probably ahead of Livingston.
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I’m amazed Brook is not in our starting 11 he is a serious talent. I think Livingstone has had enough chances to make a score to influence a game.
For this tournament we have been just awful.the problem seems to be no one really knows why so that is the biggest issue.
The only thing we can do is when there is no obvious reason for our poor form it’s build for the next 50 over tournament like we did in 2015.
I know there is a T20 WC next year but we have to blood younger batsmen and bowlers. I think the following will be replaced.
Bairstow
Stokes
Root
Woakes
Rashid
Wood
Malan
Butler
Livingstone
Ali
Jason Roy did not really deserve a place on form so he is out as well.
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I’m amazed Brook is not in our starting 11 he is a serious talent. I think Livingstone has had enough chances to make a score to influence a game.
For this tournament we have been just awful.the problem seems to be no one really knows why so that is the biggest issue.
The only thing we can do is when there is no obvious reason for our poor form it’s build for the next 50 over tournament like we did in 2015.
I know there is a T20 WC next year but we have to blood younger batsmen and bowlers. I think the following will be replaced.
Bairstow
Stokes
Root
Woakes
Rashid
Wood
Malan
Butler
Livingstone
Ali
Jason Roy did not really deserve a place on form so he is out as well.
So the whole team then?! 😂
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So the whole team then?! 😂
Well….I was trying to think who might still be ok to play 4 years from now.
So trying to project forward, if some players are reaching the end now 4 years on is a stretch.
Stokes…Doubt would be fit even for tests
Root is an exceptional talent, not impossible to think he might still be good enough.
Let’s be honest all us England fans are hugely disappointed the only thing is to build for the next one.
Whether the ECB deem domestic 50 overs back from the dead is perhaps another topic :)
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Kohli on his 35th birthday fulfilled his destiny - a world record equalling 49th ODI century.
Genuinely thought Tendulkar’s record would stand forever.
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Kohli on his 35th birthday fulfilled his destiny - a world record equalling 49th ODI century.
Genuinely thought Tendulkar’s record would stand forever.
Class from Kholi. The best in a chase too we reckon? Sparta enjoyed watching him bat. Really didn't think that LBW was hitting grill Jadeja
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The second best team in the tournament coming third in a two horse race in Calcutta. Absolute drubbing.
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Sounds like from moeen comments a lot of current crop will be replaced including him
Doubt he’s fussed as making millions in leagues
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Bangladesh setting a new low today by appealing for a time out dismissal against Angelo Matthews. Pretty poor sportsmanship.
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It appears both straps of both helmets broke which is pretty unusual.
But you got to ask in this situation what is the point of appealing, it’s just completely wrong.
The importance of the helmet fitting should of overruled the appeal.
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doesnt look like they will but i hoped sri lanka would win, in the interest of justice being done
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This is mental from Maxwell
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Wow! You be won't see better striking than that. Unreal knock that.
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Best. World. Cup. Innings. Ever.
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Buttler is done as an ODI player. Time to cash in on a full time T20 career.
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Unpopular opinion. Makes Woakes the captain and rebuild the team. He seem to be the only guy who's heart was bleeding from these Eng performances.
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Tricky when there are a lot of 30 somethings in the side to pick a new Captain. We need to rebuild for sure but I wouldn’t write Butler off yet.
It could be Captaincy has stunted his game, we have been really bad this WC but following Morgan was a thankless job.
I think Butler will step down soon myself of his own accord, not pushed by the ECB
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It's coming home!
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It's coming home!
You win the Internet today!
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The commentary of Eng v Pak, the commentators stating that because England batting first it makes it much harder for Pakistan to increase their NRR. I think that’s rubbish.
I run a tournament that uses NRR and I think it makes no difference, due to the fact that if you bowl a team out, their NRR is calculated as if they used the full 50.
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So Pakistan needs to chase 338 in 40 balls ergo impossible.
Therefore the semifinals are confirmed as:
(1) India vs (4) New Zealand at Mumbai
(2) South Africa vs (3) Australia at Kolkata
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Pakistan are just crap…year after year stat padding against the no hopers like Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, West Indies and Zimbabwe…
Artificially inflated averages and player rankings…
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Pakistan are very poor
Key has taken the blame for englands showing
A deliberate strategy to protect butler and mott I think who will stay unless they resign
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It makes a change to have some honesty from the top man.
I think he is right the test side has been the focus and not enough on the limited overs team.
Some new faces for the West Indies tour is good, I think Malan is a bit unfortunate despite his age he is still one of our best.
Quite how Livingstone gets yet more chances is beyond me. I must be missing something.
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Shows good leadership from key
Although protecting Mott not sure ..
Livingstone not been great wonder how long that SG contract will last
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Mott has been pretty much in the background even sending out an assistant to do press. Jos seems to have been left on his own.
When it goes tits up you need to face the music. Even Duncan Fletcher who hated interviews gave more than this Mott bloke.
Not impressed myself
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The point raised by Key that England have focussed on Test cricket at the expense of the white ball game raises the question as to where England's focus should be. After the humiliation of the 2015 World Cup, England placed a huge focus on the white ball game and that was rewarded with winning both the ODI and T20 world cups but it came as the expense of test cricket. After a terrible run of form and style of cricket in Tests under Root and Silverwood, there has been a huge switch back to focussing on the red ball game which has resulted in the most entertaining Test cricket we have ever played and one of the highest ratio of wins in 150 years of playing the red ball game.
Ultimately, we have achieved a lot in recent years given our population size and the relative minority status of cricket here certainly hitting above our weight. If international cricket is to continue across 3 formats, the first decision for the ECB will be to decide which format ultimately takes primacy when it comes to first call on players and coaching staff
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I think the thing with Mott is that he is quite a diffident character, as is Buttler as a captain. Mott with Morgan (which is what was expected when he was appointed) would work fine because Morgan was very definite about what he wanted, but there does not appear to be the chemistry between the two at the top.
Buttler has to stay on for the time being - aside from the fact that, as awful as he has been (and he narrowly pips Livingstone and Curran to the title of worst England player at this World Cup), it is one tournament in a glittering ten year white ball career, there are not really any other options. Stokes, Root, Bairstow and Woakes will be made to prioritise other formats, Ali and Willey are gone and Malan seems to be the scapegoat. The rebuild should focus on getting a "Buttler" team - and focus on younger talent.
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Does it work like football if Mott gets sacked he gets a big pay off so he’s a winner anyway and just finds another job
Similar to the now Pakistani coach …
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I don’t buy this focussing on one format rubbish with England. We have specialist coaches, specialist captains and role specific contracts! They have a huge budget, the best background team money can buy. They also have rubbish overpriced kit in the wrong font though. That’s embarrassing!
Having said that, I do like Rob Key, and appreciate his honesty. Seems a bit silly that they fished out contracts before we new the result of the World Cup- that’s also a bit embarrassing! I’d like to see some of the younger players get a good run now. Bowling is still a huge concern. Livingstone seems to have lost his mojo, he was a superstar in the making and has been very disappointing.
Looking forward to the semis and would love to see South Africa win it.
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Agree key was just covering up
Malan bairstow root stokes moeen Brook are longer format players
They just didn’t perform
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Pakistan are very poor
Key has taken the blame for englands showing
A deliberate strategy to protect butler and mott I think who will stay unless they resign
Pakistan haven't been a team for a long time. More individuals who save the day. To be fair there's been a lot of turmoil in the country and the PCB, but then again that's a just another day in Pakistan cricket.
One thing I can say as Pakistan fan is, you have no idea which Pakistan will turn up. Have to mentally prepare yourself the bad days and they tend to be quite painful. Usually it's the hope then implosion that kills you..
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The coach who was brought back that really does seem a disaster move …
He has been terrible recently in other roles
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Agree key was just covering up
Malan bairstow root stokes moeen Brook are longer format players
They just didn’t perform
Longer format players? Really?! You're gonna have to explain your thought process behind that one mate. I'll agree they haven't performed (although not sure you've selected the worst, as some of this have actually scored runs this world cup), but not sure how you can say they're not short format players.
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Should have explained it more detailed
The issue has been shorter format players can’t adapt to the longer form , mainly tests but these days it’s seems 50 overs too …
This seems to be the case with Pakistan too
In englands case that can’t be argued as they should have been able to play the longer format (50 overs ) as a lot of them are test players
Key saying too much concentration on tests and longer format , well how’s that hindered the 50 over side ..
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I took it you meant they're longer format players, as in they're not ODI players and more great players. Completely confused me. In fairness, Stokes average 50 and Malan 44, that's not too shabby.
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A lot of those you've named have played a lot of T20 of late, I'd say that's got more to do with it than playing tests. Brook for one looked absolutely frantic at times, just going too hard too early.
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September 25, 1998 - Sachin Tendulkar surpassed the great Desmond Haynes to become the highest century scorer in ODI cricket. That was Tendulkar’s 18th ODI century at the time.
The Little man held the record for just over 25 years years.
November 15, 2023 - A momentous day, Virat Kohli breaks the “unbreakable record” as he registers his 50th ODI century. A lifetime’s work reaches it’s crowning moment.
This time around, records are meant to be broken, this will never be surpassed.
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Well done Mitchell but India look just too strong.
Agree on Kholi. One hell of a player.
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Aus Ind final?
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Aus Ind final?
Think if SA win the toss they will score an enormous amount of runs and win fairly comfortably today. Way more up for grabs if Aus bat first.
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Looking forward to today's game. I think you might be right, @edge. Should be a good one.
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The talk about the use of two balls making ODIs easy for batsmen makes so much sense. It has killed the format making it easy for batsmen. High time they change that back to one ball or atleast one ball post 30 overs. Give the seamers a chance.
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Miller does his best to give the South Africans a sniff. A quite brilliant 101 rescuing his side from 24-4.
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Just hope it's a good final. Danger is that India just walk it.
Agree ref Miller. Total quality.
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To be honest India vs Aus was the final no one wanted.
India have been the best team by miles though. They have really embraced the 2019 approach England had and have taken it to the next level.
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The final noone wanted is about right. Is there a way they can tie the match and both lose? :)
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India have been superb, Kholi leading and back to his best.
Oddly enough in my view anyway, if they are to win the final I think it will be their bowlers not their batsman who do the damage
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I’d quite happily see the Indians win. And elated to see the Aussies lose! 😆India are a serious side. But you never know on the day. I can almost picture Davey Warner and Steve Smith arm in arm, trophy aloft. Would be a helluva comeback for them wouldn’t it?
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I’d quite happily see the Indians win. And elated to see the Aussies lose! 😆India are a serious side. But you never know on the day. I can almost picture Davey Warner and Steve Smith arm in arm, trophy aloft. Would be a helluva comeback for them wouldn’t it?
For this alone, I hope India win 🤣
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If india do win regardless of certain media outlets calling out some interesting shenanigans
It will be one of the most dominating performances World Cup has ever seen ever , possibly the greatest dominant performance .
Rohit has batted not for himself but for the team ..
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The bowling has been something else.
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Aus win toss
Anyone see who threw the toss , as anyone keenly watching some social media outlets suggesting foul play by India ..
Likely nonsense
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Just saw it rohit doesn’t throw the coin 2 miles away this time and loses the toss .. are aus gonna win this …
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3 down. What was Sharma thinking. Just clobbered Maxwell for 10. Bizarre.
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240 looks on the low side but India's attack is quite special
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Will be a good match but Aussies should have this …
I’m not surprised if Aussies win .. they were the only team to really give Indian a challenge having a decent spinner and also a good attack
Alongside attacking batsman ..
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Never seen a white ball move so much …
Rubbish shot by Warner
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If india do win regardless of certain media outlets calling out some interesting shenanigans
It will be one of the most dominating performances World Cup has ever seen ever , possibly the greatest dominant performance .
Rohit has batted not for himself but for the team ..
I think it's the case that Australia won the 2003 and 2007 World Cups without losing a single game, neither of which was held in Australia. That for me is the most dominant world cup side I have seen
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Are we about to see Australia bottle it?
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I think it's the case that Australia won the 2003 and 2007 World Cups without losing a single game, neither of which was held in Australia. That for me is the most dominant world cup side I have seen
Fair do’s I wasn’t aware of that . That’s very Dominating. Looks like it’s going to be a good game here
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Head repeating his World Test Final heroics.
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Played a blinder
Shows how strong Aussies are facing an Indian side which looked so comfortable throughout
Not over yet but commentators were saying how marnus wasn’t even meant to be there .. smith looks like he’s aged and not the same anymore
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Travis Head crushes Indian hopes in test cricket and ODI final. Marvellous knock
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Head has bossed this.
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A fabulous display by the Aussies
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Are we about to see Australia bottle it?
I was so so wrong
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The thoroughbreds with 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
Trophy back where it belongs.
Hard luck India.
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Australia win with team very similar to Test XI.
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Fair do’s I wasn’t aware of that . That’s very Dominating. Looks like it’s going to be a good game here
Australia also managed to produce two test sides during the same period that won 16 consecutive test matches. It will take a lot of any country to match a period of dominance like that
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Fantastic achievement from Australia away from home I thought India would win in their own conditions
Maybe they were given a shot in the arm by Maxwells amazing knock.
Huge credit for Head doing it in the final.
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Australia also managed to produce two test sides during the same period that won 16 consecutive test matches. It will take a lot of any country to match a period of dominance like that
How did they achieve this? What's their process?
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How did they achieve this? What's their process?
This book was written during that period and is a very good read
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Australias-Sporting-Success-Inside-Story/dp/0868405825 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Australias-Sporting-Success-Inside-Story/dp/0868405825)
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This book was written during that period and is a very good read
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Australias-Sporting-Success-Inside-Story/dp/0868405825 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Australias-Sporting-Success-Inside-Story/dp/0868405825)
Which period? Book is 20 year old.
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Which period? Book is 20 year old.
The period when they won 2 back to back world cups without losing a game and had 2 runs of 16 consecutive test match victories