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Title: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: Buzz on December 14, 2023, 08:39:42 PM
Feels like this England squad is all just a bit to cozy.
Not sure Buttler and Mott as a combo is working so well.
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: Thamesvalley on December 14, 2023, 09:01:05 PM
Seems like Rob Key didn’t want to make the difficult decision after World Cup, after these losses need to move forward . Butler it just hasn’t worked out as captain or Mott as coach .

Mott can get replaced but who you give captaincy too ?
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: ppccopener on December 14, 2023, 09:17:28 PM
I think we are getting it half right. Younger players should be given the chance

Atkinson
Rehan
Jacks
Salt
Brook

But we have given some players a real long run we little being paid back

Livingstone how he gets a game is baffling.

I think Butler should move back up top there’s nothing to lose

I don’t see the current coach lasting too much longer and our bowling attack need Topley fit he is by far our best seamer
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: Jimbo on December 14, 2023, 09:52:05 PM
Buttler's decision making as skipper has been awful, poor field setting, poor bowling changes and now poor batting ordering.

I like that they're trying to integrate younger players but the selections have been baffling in places and a blind man could see that some players need to specialise in one white ball format.
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: Thamesvalley on December 14, 2023, 09:58:45 PM
What about Curran

Ok he hit some runs today but he’s more a bowler and seems way too easy to smash all over the park but the big hitters
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: Whispering Death on December 14, 2023, 10:02:56 PM
I think we are getting it half right. Younger players should be given the chance

Atkinson
Rehan
Jacks
Salt
Brook

But we have given some players a real long run we little being paid

Livingstone how he gets a game is baffling.

I think Butler should move back up top there’s nothing to lose

I don’t see the current coach lasting too much longer and our bowling attack need Topley fit he is by far our best seamer

Brook can be class but for every decent innings there are 4 or 5 low scores across all formats...suppose he's only a youngun
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: willmau5 on December 14, 2023, 10:21:23 PM
I think they all look knackered. A few months off would do the world of good.
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: Jimbo on December 15, 2023, 01:30:42 AM
What about Curran

Ok he hit some runs today but he’s more a bowler and seems way too easy to smash all over the park but the big hitters

They need better frontline seam bowling options. Mills has some x-factor but Woakes and Curran are cannon fodder if conditions aren't conducive. Curran gives more with the batting so I'd like to see another genuine quick, ideally with a bit of height and bounce. Shame Topley is injured.
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: ppccopener on December 15, 2023, 08:00:09 AM
Brook can be class but for every decent innings there are 4 or 5 low scores across all formats...suppose he's only a youngun

He’s been a bit in and out he was not originally in the WC side. It has always been difficult when any team is rebuilding but he is one player that looks like he could be a bit special in tests and white ball.

Too low down in the order thou and he wont do much I don’t think so a regular spot in the top 5

I don’t think Livingstone should be in the side at all
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: Thamesvalley on December 16, 2023, 09:02:37 PM
Nooone will be leaving Brook out now from t20 and odi although England don’t play odi for months and months now
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: ppccopener on December 16, 2023, 09:06:57 PM
Some serious confidence and talent to come in and do that.
Amazing hitting from him and Salt.
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: Buzz on December 16, 2023, 09:11:11 PM
Brook. 😍😍
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: thegowerwaft on December 16, 2023, 09:15:09 PM
Brook. 😍😍

So... a thing just happened.

Normally,  we are on the receiving end of that kind of as'Salt'

I'll get my coat.
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: Manormanic on December 17, 2023, 12:08:38 PM
Brook. 😍😍

why he was batting below Livingstone is beyond me!
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: Buzz on December 17, 2023, 06:32:28 PM
Lots of muddled thinking going on right now.
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: Manormanic on December 18, 2023, 03:54:35 PM
Lots of muddled thinking going on right now.

Yes.  Its clear that Buttler is not a strong captain, and Mott not a leader as coach.  The former might work with a strong leader like McCullum, the latter with a vocal captain like Morgan, but not as a pair.  You cannot blame either man for the fact that the bowling stocks are a tad thin, especially when Wood is moth balled for the red ball game; it is an odd quirk of the length that red ball quicks bowl in the UK that we don't seem to get the same cross pollination between white and red ball games as some of the other big sides.  But the lack of clear messages, the way some players are given endless opportunities despite never really performing, and the downright strange manipulation of the batting order...all those are on the leadership team. 
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: edge on December 18, 2023, 09:31:40 PM
Selection is always a good window into the health of a side and it's been all over the place all year. Tactical moves and rest/rotation is one thing but for a long time now you've got a strong sense that England don't have a clue what balance they want in their side or even vaguely who the best side is. Salt and Brook bailed them out last game but what on earth were they up to selecting 8 bowlers and also dropping Rehan?
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on December 19, 2023, 01:21:48 PM
A 'reset' is what you do when you are losing now? Why did no-one think of it before?
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: edge on December 19, 2023, 10:21:48 PM
I'm so disappointed this series isn't on a sensible TV channel in the UK, this game sounds absolutely hilarious to watch.

Looks like Phil Salt has inked himself in at the top of the order for the WC, great to see him settle in and convert the good starts.
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: Thamesvalley on December 19, 2023, 11:04:24 PM
Isn’t it the old Bt sport ..

Doubt any terrestrial station would have even gone for the rights
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: jonny77 on December 19, 2023, 11:33:54 PM
Isn’t it the old Bt sport ..

Doubt any terrestrial station would have even gone for the rights

Yep, was on TNT 1 (Old BT Sport). Was a bonkers game with some outrageous hitting. Pitch was very flat and easy paced, but still some great  hitting on show.
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: cricketbadger on December 20, 2023, 03:01:51 PM
That WI bowling wouldn't have looked out of place in club cricket, they were shocking. Not taking anything away from our batting performance though, it was ruthless and Salt played a blinder.
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: Buzz on September 03, 2024, 01:30:28 PM
Baz has been made white ball coach as well... Going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: Thamesvalley on September 03, 2024, 04:17:16 PM
Will be interesting v aus

Regardless of result he will give the positivity and full steam ahead approach
Title: Re: England's white ball reset isn't going so well is it...
Post by: gihanrat on September 03, 2024, 05:45:49 PM
Will be interesting v aus

Regardless of result he will give the positivity and full steam ahead approach

If you mean the upcoming series Vs Aus, think McCullum is taking over white ball coach in Jan (Trescothick running the ship until then). Will be interesting to see how Bazball in ODI and T20 goes next year....