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Equipment => Your Kit => Topic started by: JCWE on August 22, 2008, 07:27:17 PM
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Do u no hoo sponsors junior players? i no sck do
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pretty much EVERY company will sponser junior players
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You have to be pretty good for the sponsorship to be of any particular advantage. Most people will get a package and say, "I got this for a fiver cheaper than it should be, so I'm sponsored", when they're not.
Not every company will sponsor juniors, for them to do that you have to play a high standard and have real potential. However most companies will offer you discount.
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yeah but my point is if your good enough almost every company would sponser you
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yeh mate! but i play for scotland under 15s
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You have to be really good to be sponsored as if you just play league cricket you can probably get discount off smaller companies. Then if you play for a county you can get discount off big brands, but you have to be something special to get full sponsorship off any company.
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WHat company is easiest to get a good amount of sponsorship do you think?
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try probats cricket, they gave me a sponsorship of 35% off everything, tis pretty good gear as well...
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I play West yorkshire u13 and i think probats just do mens, i think i an get 50% of salix maybe but what other companies give good offers?
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I play West yorkshire u13 and i think probats just do mens, i think i an get 50% of salix maybe but what other companies give good offers?
Salix won't give you that much off, nor will it work out that good value. If you want to know ask the company, not us. You won't get anywhere without doing so, plus you just have to copy the same email to loads of companies. I did and got several replies within a day, and I don't even play county, only 1st team.
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Can't remember who it was (and no it wasn't because I was asking for sponsorship) but one brand owner told me he tends to give better deals to people who don't look like they've copied and pasted the same email to every brand.
Also sorry mate but I dont think you will get 50% off Salix when you play disctrict u13.
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Can't remember who it was (and no it wasn't because I was asking for sponsorship) but one brand owner told me he tends to give better deals to people who don't look like they've copied and pasted the same email to every brand.
Also sorry mate but I dont think you will get 50% off Salix when you play disctrict u13.
Fine then, edit it if you're desperate or really want it from that one company, but if you're just looking for the best deal, there's no point.
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Except that Salix, i know for sure, reserve their better willow for sponsored players.
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I have a load of Jnr cricketers emailing me, it's clear some just edit the company names and send a load out as they often change one line to Itias but there's another part which is still Salix.
They also moan when I only offer the percentage I do, often claiming other companies give them 50% or whatever which annoys me a tad. Can they not see that the prices I offer already are heavily discounted compared to other brands. Perhaps I should just have a bat priced at RRP £300 which I only sell to sponsored players at a 50% discount.
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well said tom, why would i want to sponsor a 12 yo who has played 1 mens game in the 3rds and his highest score is 20*? you get some emails they can't even spell your companies name right! How do you know that as soon as you give a player talented 15 yo 50% off that as soon as they get your kit they don't rip the stickers off and then sell you kit to there mates? most also mention that they were sonsored by companies and they gave them 50% off or 35% off , why tell me that ,hang on i'll offer you the same deal! sponsorship is a very grey area .......
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Two great posts from Tom and Hell4, its clear sponsorship is a very tricky area for companies.
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Nah Salix do give 50% off an some companies give full sponsership if your in eg. yorkshire A, there just lookig for the next new England superstar. I was only wondering about sponsership because all my stuff is getting old and if you get money off of your favourite company why is it bad?
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Yeah H4L I was watching a bloke you must sponsor playing for Oxford UCCE the other day, I think that type of sponsorship is good publicity but then why sponsor a 15 year old?
The converse to that is that a few years ago some guy came to a batmaker I know and said you must sponsor this kid playing in the Bradford league, he's quality. the kids dad asked for a 100% deal, and the batmaker said no - that kid is Adul Rashid and this small batmaker could have signed him on a life time deal.
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I'm looking for a new bat etc for the upcoming Over 60 Australian championship, I wonder if I am bold enough to ask for sponsorship?
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Exactly many young players are going to be something big, if your amazing at such a young age and keep going you can be the next big thing and why is it stupid to sponser young players
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I receive upto 5 emails a day asking for sponsorship, most expecting huge discounts. Very few are going to be big cricketers. Maybe you'll get the odd Adil Rashid turned down, but if I were to sign up a load of young players on lifetime deals it would cost me a fortune. I'd much rather keep prices low for the full paying customers. I don't mind giving a few pounds off for kit deals for Jnr's but nothing more.
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Exactly many young players are going to be something big, if your amazing at such a young age and keep going you can be the next big thing and why is it stupid to sponser young players
Many? I think you'll find it's a fraction of the total players. Companies cannot make a decent decision without actually seeing the player, so cannot offer "tailor-made" deals, there has to be a generic offer.
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Many of who play for Yorkshire at ages of u15 will go on I think
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Many of Yorkshires U15's will go on to be something big?
How many English players are there in the UK now who are 'big' and would be a major coup for a sponsor? No more than 10 I'd say. And say 1 does become big, he's going to try everything he can to get out of your lifetime deal and get the big money from Adidas etc.
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the thing is big companys can hand out sponsorships and wont lose very much out on it
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Precisely, if you're a bigger company selling a Grade 1 Import bat at £250. You can afford to give huge discounts.
With myself and other smaller companies either importing or making and then selling at around half that price there's very little room to give discounts off.
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Like GM wont lose anything if they hand out a bat, and whole kit to 20 kids, but boutique brands cant
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True but if your smart and pick the boys go you thinknhave got talent, you can sign these boys before they are signed by big comapnies. And sometimes they're faithfull to you and stay with you, If companies actually looked at the players who they were sponserinf more good players will be sponsered.
But it's obviously the sponsors choice
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but then they have to take a day out there jobs to sponsor them, so they have to see them
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It's their choice but the kids are the future aren't they so they shouldn't just throw away the chance to sponser a promising young kid, sometimes they should just not throw it away, there right sometimes so it's tricky
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true
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Many of who play for Yorkshire at ages of u15 will go on I think
Utter Utter Utter rubbish, I'm good mate with a few guys who came up through the Yorkshire system and one of them absoulutely dominated at almost every level. Smashed it and bowled 85mph. Got a full contract, play 1 FC game against a touring side, a few 2020s and then was let go. If you think that each year there are 10 academy players or more who leave the academy and there are only 20 or so fulltime squad members...
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True but if your smart and pick the boys go you thinknhave got talent, you can sign these boys before they are signed by big comapnies. And sometimes they're faithfull to you and stay with you,
How many England players have 'stayed faithful'? Cheers Ravi
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Sorry i meant many of the whole of england, quite alot of players who play at a very high level at younger ages will play at a high-ish level when older.
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A high-ish level being what? Minor Counties or Premier League cricket? I could sponsor one of those cricketers today if I wanted without having to go through years of support for them.
If a kid did come to me with real potential and was scoring 100's every game then maybe I would consider sponsorship but the reality is you get a load of emails every day from Juniors who are district level or below just wanting money off kit which is already at some of the best prices around
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I agree with you tom players who are district or younger theres no point but potentioal players should be given a chance thats what im just saying.
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So in your opinion what should a Jnr County player get offered as sponsorship?
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Depends how good they are, in my opinion if you want to offer sponsership the good players will never accept 20 30% they will accept the best offers they will get from good comapnies
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Again you're looking at percentages. Would you rather have 20% off a G1 bat at £110. Or 50% off a G1 with an RRP of £250.
Which one to you is the better deal?
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haha you got me there but what would other kids want. But You could give some off deals, its your chocie tom, not mine.
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i play juniour county and have scored 100s . . . . jks
but i do,
I fink its a hard issuie, but im more for the all or nothing vote personally
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Yeh same i play county and will probably only accept offers above 60% theres no real point otherwise
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This is precisely what gets my back up, average players giving limited exposure wanting huge discounts.
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Yeh thats your choice, but other small companies do offer large amounts
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i think as a company it is stupid to give sponsorships out to little timmy who has managed to get into middlsex u13, even though i am , its pointless
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true
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Tom I think it would be really worthwhile saving your sponsorship deals for the best players, and not even giving 10-20% for the rubbish ones, as this then creates the feeling that if you've got sponsorship you are a little special - unlike the feeling you get when you are accepted for sponsorhip at 20% by mosat of the big brands...
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Yeh its alot better not offering anything to any district teams, but some county players you could offer good amounts
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How much is good amounts then Singo considering current prices?
I tend not to sponsor on just ability really, there has to be something more than that especially from youngsters. I'm a crap player but got sponsorship and would say I helped increase sales more than the similarly sponsored International and County players. If someone is passionate about the brand, can help boost sales and will be gratful that's what matters more to me.
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If your a "crap player" and got sponsership and gave a county kid your stuff for very good discount dont you think that will help the brand. He will tell his friends at schools and people will see him using the bat and if hes good and the other kids arent as good and think hes amazing they will want to play like him and buy the bat he has wont they?
Just a thought
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Perhaps Singo, but I can only go on what I read in an email. Kids who come across as very ungrateful, wanting big amounts and it seems like they just subsitute company names in the emails will get absolutely nothing.
The guys who are very thankful for getting an initial deal, email me photo's of them using the gear, update me on scores and also those who get people interested are more likely to get a very very good deal the next time they need kit.
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i think most kids would pick the bat peitersen useds rather than me . . . .
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Oh yes tom but if you give kids a promosing deal they would be very grateful if they play for county you could give them a reasonable deal but if district no point i would say
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its pointless wasting a bat on a little kid,
or a u15 kids realy, wasting kit on them
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Why?!
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because they wont get any publicity and it wud do very little for the brand
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Coming and expecting full sponsorship aged 12 and then trying to bargain me down when I make a reasonable offer is not grateful in my opinion Singo. Especially when in some case they are only having trials at their respective county.
I'm not a fan of giving huge discounts to anyone at all actually, if they want great gear they should pay for it like everyone else does and I've said the same when people playing for their country have enquired.
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i agree with u tom fully
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Yes Tom but thats the way you see it, its your choice but some other brands who also have good prices still give discount
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but thats not very clever
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Would be interested to hear whom and at what level of discount as maybe I need to get some better prices from my suppliers.
And yes it is my choice, I don't need to give away hugely discounted products to Jnrs to keep my business going.
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i play middlsex u13, how much should i get off if i ask for sponsorship?
nothing
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Discount would be 0% off individual items, but if you bought a full kit you'd get a small discount.
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i dont want new kit but thats a good example, but ur prices are already pretty low compared to big companys
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So what discount would you give with postage tom?
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So what discount would you give with postage tom?
Stop wasting his time your not going to buy anything anyway.
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I might actually :) pads have ripped at bottom when I dived it and my gloves are knackrred :)
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Theres no need for all this bargaining then, the pads are £49.95 for top of the range pads that would cost £90 from Kookabura/Newbery.
(http://itias.co.uk/images/padsthumb.jpg)
http://itias.co.uk/pads.html (http://itias.co.uk/pads.html)
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I know but I'm junior and what's the bad thin about looking for a better deal? I'll probably go with shark cricket anyway very nice guy some quality stuff
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I think some of the smaller brands are missing the point. Young players who have some talent are held in very high esteem by their school mates and club mates and if they score a 50 or 100 then all their mates will be after the bat they used. On Sunday my son played against a club whose captain Ben, (good district player) had a discounted Salix. 9 of his side also hat a Salix 'because Ben says they are the best' all paid in full no doubt and a few of my son's side said after the game perhaps we should get a Salix next. Targetted sponsorship/marketing like this can be very worthwhile.
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I think some of the smaller brands are missing the point. Young players who have some talent are held in very high esteem by their school mates and club mates and if they score a 50 or 100 then all their mates will be after the bat they used. On Sunday my son played against a club whose captain Ben, (good district player) had a discounted Salix. 9 of his side also hat a Salix 'because Ben says they are the best' all paid in full no doubt and a few of my son's side said after the game perhaps we should get a Salix next. Targetted sponsorship/marketing like this can be very worthwhile.
I agree with this. I think (specifically small) bat makers should reward customers who (successfully) encourage friends and fellow players to purchase their bats. They could give them discounts, the size depending on how many referrals they made, on any other kit they buy from the bat maker.
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I agree with this. I think (specifically small) bat makers should reward customers who (successfully) encourage friends and fellow players to purchase their bats. They could give them discounts, the size depending on how many referrals they made, on any other kit they buy from the bat maker.
Some do. They will offer a package deal, which the customer can then either pay for or work for. If they pay for it, they earn money based on the business the company receives on their behalf; a "middle man" if you like. The customer can also get given the kit, then work to pay it off by the same method and then earn money once the kit has been paid for.
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Salix offer discounts as do I, but I'm not going to make a loss on my gear in order to have a youngster using it. Salix offer 40% or around that which is fine however that still makes their gear more than mine without discount. However some people just want a big percentage for whatever reason.
And as I said before I reward those who help me out.
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Haha yeah that's what gets me. People would rather have say 50% off a £250+ bat's RRP from a large company rather than 30% off a £150, just because then they can brag that they get more discount as opposed to a better deal.
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i do agree with the above ,but unfortunately most kids you offer sponsorship 2 end up taking the piss! i am not saying all do and there genuine kids out there who do deserve help out with kit, but at the end of the day we are trying to run a business not a charity.Sorry if this sounds a tad harsh but when you get 5-10 emails a day almost demanding they should be sponsored it does start to pee you off!
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What do these kids say? Can you post an example without the name or something because I can't see how someone could be so arrogant to demand it?
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well maybe i am being a tad harsh, but some emails do come across like that.Some even mention they ''have used your kit for 4 years " - a bit hard to do when we have only been running 2 seasons! if they can't even get this right , i am sure they are not out to promote my products
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Coming and expecting full sponsorship aged 12 and then trying to bargain me down when I make a reasonable offer is not grateful in my opinion Singo. Especially when in some case they are only having trials at their respective county.
I'm not a fan of giving huge discounts to anyone at all actually, if they want great gear they should pay for it like everyone else does and I've said the same when people playing for their country have enquired.
Country or County?
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Yeah would love to see one of these emails...
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Country PP.
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I'm not going to embarass anyone by posting their emails on the forum either, but there are some amusing emails you'll have to take my word for it.
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In my experience most county batsmen buy their bats, rather than use the sponsored kit. So start acting liking county Pro's and buy your bats direct from the bat maker.
If I was a youth player I would choose a decent brand regardless of cost as scoring runs makes you more money than cheap kit.
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In my experience most county batsmen buy their bats, rather than use the sponsored kit. So start acting liking county Pro's and buy your bats direct from the bat maker.
Can you do this though without actually visiting the factory?
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My son plays with a GN Nitro at the moment and had a tour of the GN factory yesterday. We were overwhelmed by the number of bats there and ended up getting nothing. Great interest was shown in their new double sided bat as it was different. No one would blink an eye lid if he turned up with a new Nitro (sponsored or not) but the new double sided as it was different would generate a lot of interest and I am sure a lot of sales. If the bat was for sale he would have bought one just for the wow factor. I agree sponsorship is a waste of money but targeted discounts may make a lot of sense. Just remember most kids play cricket 2 or 3 times a week and watch very little professional cricket.
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I no the owner of Colts Cricket Company through someone who plays for middlesex with me, and he chucks a nice lot of kit at us,
and its making the brand more well known, with 3 or four of us using it in are matchs
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I agree with tom, why do these 13 yr old kids need sponsorships when in most cases their parents will go an buy them whateva gear they want!
And I am amazed district players can even get sponsorship! I played district cricket for 6yrs running and I never thought I was good enough to warrent sponsorship. I have found the best way of getting a good deal on cricket gear is going direct to a local batmaker (in my case hunts county) who have given me excellent service and I have been back on numerous occasions with friends who have also bought gear from them. What is the point in offering an average district player sponsership who might make 1st team level at his local club!?
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If I ran a cricket company, I would not give sponsorship at all to anyone. What a complete waste of a small business's money. Sure you can give discounts, particularly for customers who are returning - but sponsorship your having a laugh. People will be more influenced by all people on TV, than a little Johnny who plays for his club. I played junior state levels with guys now playing FC Cricket and was never influenced by any of there gear in juniors.
If I ran a bat company, I would only give sponsorship on a few conditions. The first would be id make sure the person signed a legally binding contract that they had to use this gear only. And that the batmaker has the right to withdraw from the 'sponsorship' at any time.
Also for anyone who claims they will sell you more bats then id tell them to put there money where there mouth is. Get them to pay full price now and If they can sell you 'X' amount of bats, then give them there money, or a large portion of it back later on.
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and i play for lincs under 17's and we smashed scotland under 17s even though we got all out for 150 ;)
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I Know the guy that owns Probats i live in Swansea where he works so let me know if anyone wants any advice on their kit as i had the 2009 stuff to test for free.
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bit of a old topic but the truth is if your asking for sponsorship your not seen generally good enough to get it.
i know big company start looking at you at 15 plus but usually you have to be not just the best in your area but a national level player and you will get a free set of kit.
i know this through a mate of mine who is in the English Development squad but if your under that age all this stuff of 60 per cent is just laughable your just not going to get it unless as Tom has said the RRP of the kit is astronomic
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Well, I know a lot of people who are "sponsored" and companies make a big deal out of it (e.g. Salix put Sponsored stickers on the edge of the bats) when all the people are really getting is a bundle kit offer (30 or 40% off RRP). You can get discounts like that without the pretence of sponsorship if you ask and are buying all your kit from the same company.