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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Umpires => Topic started by: art on August 28, 2008, 10:35:25 AM
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Why is it that an umpire's decision is no longer good enough in cricket?
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Because they always get everything wrong? (Most of the time)
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Society. Although i think its more emphasized now than it was ever before. maybe because of the gilly-walking thing
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Because of the media.....
After showing the 20 super slow motion replays, snicko, hotspot, (all designed to prove a wrong desision) etc you can see sometimes maybe a desision was wrong - then the commentators/pundits go on about what a 'shocker' it was for the rest of the game.....
The same is happening in every sport, not just cricket. It just makes me laugh when the commentator isnt willing to give an opinion on a decision until they have seen the replays.
Anyway, back to the point, because of this people now question the desisions because thats whats done on TV!
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It's a serious question leo, believe it or not.
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Does it happen much in lower grade cricket art
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I think it is to do with all the technology that is around now. You have technology that cover's every decision and ther's no way an umpire can make a mistake without it being pointed out by some smart (No Swearing Please) commentator.
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Good question. Umpiring back here this winter I got to do a mixture of all grades which was both challenging and refreshing and frankly it showed how comparatively easy top grade umpiring is. After all you don't in top grades get two wides followed by a no ball then an absolute jaffa. And of course often in lower grade wickets are not as good which makes umpiring even harder.
I very rarely have any trouble on the field. Someone wants to stand and query my decison if its a batsman he is shown the way off and if it is a fielder then I explain my reasoning in as few a number of words as possible and that is that. A captain has the right of query and I always respect that and give the bowler a quick reason as a matter of course.
As a general rule the better the rapport the better the decision making because if things do get a little tough out there it is usual for people, all people, to fold under pressure. Almost to a man players just want consistency and be it consistently bad or good for everyone most folks are happy. It is only when decision making gets really ratty do complaints follow and that often happens when an umpire is rattled by something.
Me I don't care because frankly if someone wants to start on me I give them double back. It fixes things very rapidly.
I have a different mindset, I umpire to enjoy the game and to relax.
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Why is it that an umpire's decision is no longer good enough in cricket?
A batsman finds it easier to pass responsibility of getting out onto the Umpire. If you're LBW for example, it's never the batsmans fault that he got hit in front of the stumps on the pads it's the Umpires as he had a good stride in or he'd got an inside edge. It's rare for a batsman to say it was plumb or was a poor shot.
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As a quick aside I had a team captain standing at the non strikers end give one of his team out LBW before I raised the finger. This was in a semi a couple of weeks ago and a first ball duck at that. Yes I have had batsmen walk on LBW appeals and damn good batsmen at that but it is a rarity.
Best sledge in top grade last season I got was from a bowler who appealed for LBW, didn't turn around and I kept my finger down he spun around a asked again. I did nothing and the bowler looked a little cross. I pointed out my finger was not needed because he had walked. The bowler made two remarks.
"Good to see how much respect you are shown here."
followed by.
"By the way if you hadn't given it I was walking off.
best laugh I had had on the field for a long time.
Two matches later I gave him an official warning for running on the wicket. He nodded and agreed I was right but added "That was just a get square for my sledge last match."
I had to hold the bowler while everyone stopped laughing.
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Why is it ok for a bowler or the fielding captain to question a decision but not the batsman?
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Good question.
There is a section in the Code of Conduct or a related item from the ICC that expressly states this but because my computer and the ICC site are non compatabale (it keeps trying to load a trojan site full of nasties) I will need to find it somewhere else.
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Redback, if we look at the Code of Conduct as offiially set out under Level 1 and Level 2 offences for the sections relating to 'showing dissent' to an umpire it states the following "The Rule does not prevent the bowler in the decision or the team captain from asking an umpire to provide an explanation for a decion or a Team official from making a formal complaint."
That states clearly who has what rights. I have never been comfortable about the Team official bit because due to a lack of clear definition it seems the scorer's pencil carrier believes that they are a team official and parents of under age often believe that the right of a god resides with them on all issues.
I failed my first practical umpiring test all those years ago because I dared tell a bowler why he wasn't get LBW's. The bowler was left arm, couldn't bring the ball and was rather volatile to say the least at almost every match. Quiet as a mouse in that match.
Ever in the 1980 edition of Tom Smith's there is a specific direction that umpire's should not talk to players. Thankfully things have changed.
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hey art what state are you in
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Queensland
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good work. ill get back on topic now. Do you think the umpiring 10-20 years ago is as good as now?
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Interesting question.
Umpires weren't subject to the same amount of questioning 20 years ago on the field, after the match and certainly not so rabidly in the media. Issues facing many umpires are quite complex and frankly the smaller the community the more complex they can become if you are prone to feel pressure both during the game and in the general community. I believe this point is totally misunderstood by the masters in the capital cities who can neither grasp this problem nor understand the extra pressure that single umpiring can place on many people.
I prefer to umpire now. I feel no peer pressure, I am a better all around umpire now than I have ever been, I won't be bullied by anyone and those who want to climb the slippery slope to umpiring stardom can have their way. But here is a tip, it is infinitely easier to umpire a top level match on a good wicket with a partner than it is to be a sole umpire in a lower grade match on some god forsaken ground with an uncertain wicket. I just wish a few so called umpiring geniuses and organisers understood that simple fact of an umpire's life.
The general umpires are much better training and associations at all levels put a lot of work into this. I undertake specific training in reaction and eye coordination. You get no thanks for this of course but with limited overs and 20/20 the game is faster and you can't always get into 'correct' position given some of the silly runs that are taken. Besides humble journeymen like myself don't often have a camera replay to go to so we have to make the decision and of course if have a square leg from the batting side who is used to watching top level cricket where an umpire calls for a replay when someone is stranded half way down the wicket what chance have you got in a large proportion of cases.
So these days we are confronted with a number of issues that weren't around say 20 years ago. (We won't discuss changes in attitudes by players at this point).
So we have got better trained umpires, in general, now than before. frankly I don't want to do any more training because umpiring will never ever be my profession and the last thing I want to do is go away for weekends share a room with someone I probably don't particularly and be indoctrinated in all manner of things most of which I have either learned from the best universities in the world or give talks on myself.
Despite getting older I am a better umpire now than I have ever been although doing a reasonable amount of single umpiring over the last few seasons tends for you to lose certain teamwork skills.
There is now a necessity, more than ever, to have a strong judiciary system and umpires (and for that matter clubs) who are prepared to use the system properly if unacceptable behaviour occurs. It is only a very small percentage of folks who cause problems and they should and must be curtailed.
Two things cause me major concern.
1. The standard of umpiring for juniors (mostly parents) is deplorable although here we are doing something about that.
2. The preamble to laws brought in in 2000 has been largely ignored by many clubs and associations who refuse to demand and enforce that the role of the captain as set out does occur.
There are clubs and teams who believe there is some sort of contest that has to be undertaken with the umpire as a side show to the main contest and there are associations who condone it.
One of the funniest things I find is the "Captain's Report." Often you have some inexperienced person hardly out of knee pants who has just been thrashed in a contest and he has the opportunity to write a report on an umpire who is frequently vastly more experienced at life and cricket than he is ever likely to be. But hey that is modern cricket. (oh and some people wonder why very experienced umpires up and walk out of the game).
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Fair enough. Although now my association is introducing a red and yellow card system in matches where umpires are used. I don't know what this will do for the first and second grade but i think it could be a wake up call to 'supportive parents' in the 15's and 17's matches.
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Hmmm sounds like the Gold Coast.
I will give you my frank verdict on this. Frankly I am absolutely dismayed at this move. There is a system in GPS here where cards can handed out.
If ever an association wants an absolute confrontation between players and umpires this is way to bring about absolute mayhem at some stage. By doing this the association has shown its absolute lack of control and support of due process and control by handing absolute power over to the umpire(s). Perhaps a few folks in the association should read what an umpires task is in cricket and it isn't this. Above I have suggested that the Preamble has been ignored. In this case not only has the Preamble been ignored but those in charge are foolish in the extreme. And if they want me to stand up and tell them that personally then I am available.
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" The umpires will be using a yellow and red card system similar to soccer. If a player receives 2 yellow cards he receives an automatic 1 match suspension. A red card and you answer to the judicial process."
Yeah its the coast, there's the direct quote. after what art said, im gonna say that this isn't the best way to go about this.
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There is no comparison between soccer and cricket and this sytem is stupid in the extreme.
I would be surprised if the umpiring folks in the QCA like this. Mike Ralston has a rare understanding of the problems and joys of umpiring and it would be interesting to see what he said. Off the record might be different to on the record.