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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: golders on June 01, 2010, 09:44:07 PM
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Right Fellow Leggies,
It's time to share the love!!
I hope you are having a decent start to the hardest part of the season for us leggies- i've started slowly to say the least- bowling too many bad balls and letting them off the hook- how much do you guys practice during the week??
This is my current armoury:
The leggie, the backspinner,toppie and the wrong'un. Then I have the fuknose, which is a bog standard legspinner that does something crazy and people think you're a genius- it cannot be replicated!! I also have the 'dippa', which must be said in a strong mock aussie accent, which is the horrid full bunger that should get hit into the bush but goes down a teammates throat!
I'd like to develope a flipper- any hints and advice guys? or any other interesting deliveries you could share?
Let's hope it stays dry and our skippers love us!
happy spinning,
Adam
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Haha, hello fellow leggie!
i also have the full bunger in my armoury as well as the double bouncer as my wicket taking deliveries! I can also bowl a wrong'n and a top spinner! As to a flipper i would love to know how to bowl one! But i think trying to prefect the normal leggie is the first point of call!
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There is/was a great guide by legspin guru Terry jenner on the BBC sport website - have you seen that?
Hats off for bowling the leggies - I can't get one to the other end, let alone drift, dip or turn :D
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i love bowling leg spin but most of mine come out as "fuknose" balls. Well i can spin it miles tbh, just not a bloody clue how to get a repeatable action to put the ball where i want it!
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hence why i only bowl it at nets, so not a proper out and out leggie i forgot to add!
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I bowl a few leggies in the nets and have three good variations, the one that goes straight on and doesn't turn and i also have the pie and the long hop.
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Ahhh the amount of times my teammates have told me to persist with leg-spin. I'm glad that I'm not the only one with a full toss as a standard delivery.
I am able to bowl the main three, leggie/top spin/wrong 'un although the wrong'un isn't as consistant as I'd like. Also I play at a low enough standard that I can also chuck in a quicker yorker which gets me LBWs and bowled.
I do enjoy beating the bat with drift and spin but not going for alot of runs, often bowling to sloggers!
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hello fellow leggies!
not a great start to the season to be honest, but its the first time i've bowled consistently for over 2 seasons... took 1-32 off 8 in first league game i bowled in, and 1-39 off 7 in the next, but was unlucky... :S
currently i'm only using 3 types of deliveries- standard leggie, quicker ball and the dippa! this is because i'm just trying to find some rhythm going for the rest of the season. i can bowl a googly, that sometimes goes straight on and the odd one grips a lot.
i'm quite lucky as i get a lot of bounce being tall, so when the standard leggie goes right i can bowl very economically, however when the dippa goes wrong, so do my figures!
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Yes Will I saw that, very useful- wish I had him as my own personal spin doctor, he could provide me with unlimited prescriptions- god knows I need them! ''Now remember, the thumb is optional!''
Does anyone know the difference between a flipper and a backspinner- am I right in thinking with the backspinner you literally spin the ball backwards, but the flipper you flick out with a finger-clicking-style?? but then aren't both spinning backwards, but on reverse sides- how do they differ in flight and on landing?
I find with the backspinner you have to pitch it very full otherwise it sits up for tiiiime blood!
Happy spinning boys! :D
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what is dippa ?
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well season started okish, 0-16, but then got 3-4 and 4-4 (4 overs).
I really struggle with the googly, the ball spinners like a leg break.
My deliveries are the leg break (big and small turn), top spinner, sliding legbreak, quicker straight one (slides).
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Kavi - that is all you need, Warnie only used those variations (although he called them all sorts of different things) - chuck in an off-spinner and you will be deadly - especially if you can control the length well
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There is no point bowling variation if you can't control it! Leg spin is the style of bowling which requires most practice for each delivery, practice it as often as possible...
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Nowadays legspin is not so much about how much you turn it but how accurate you are.
Buzz- I do have a nice dipping off break ball, but it has a slight change in my action, still think it will be good?
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Kavi - yes - so many batsman, especially tailenders only read the ball off the pitch, which will be too late if they are playing back you you, it is worth using.
Other than practicing the second most important thing is to use the variations as a surprise, rather than using them because you have them. Very few batsmen understand how to play legspin, so just varying flight and spin should be enough - just practice practice practice - then you learn how to set the batsman up to be stung with the unexpected variation.
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Nowadays legspin is not so much about how much you turn it but how accurate you are.
couldnt agree more, im usually a big turner of the ball but this year havnt been able to spin it consistently. but if you bowl on middle and off stumps every ball it doesnt need to turn....
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The 'Dippa' is a wonderful delivery- one would think that you spin the ball up and, as the greedy batsman shapes up for a huge heave (he thinks it's a full toss) the ball suddenly dips and clean bowls him! :D :D :D
In reality, however, the truth is slightly different- the dippa is the full bunger (you tend to think or shout f@#k at moment of release) and the muppet batsman simply misses it. However, when you gather with your teamates to celebrate, it is crucial at this point that the delivery was in fact your dipper and dipped at the last minute- helps as fast bowlers are always trying to knock our wickets.
It's quite fun also to run around like a mad man and, with arms aloft shout ''Dippaa!!Dippa! Got him with the dippa!!!""
Happy Dippa-ing,
Adam
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Kavi buddy,
How do you bowl your leggie slider and quicker slider?
Share the love please!
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so when I give more air to my regular leg break delivery and it lands at blockhole , its Dippa ??
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its basically a (No Swearing Please) low full toss that the batsmen manages to miss instead of smack it out of the ground
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ive tried bowling legspin many times and can only get the googly to spin :L is this normal for beginners?
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So glad I found this thread. Can anyone give tips on controlling length and getting consistency. I keep trying to bowl Leggies and have done for years. I can get crazy spin in the nets and one in every ten balls is an unplayable jaffer but i just can't seem to control the delivery well. Our off spinner turns it yards and had problems before but he has rectified them with a shorter approach and he is now a quality off break bowler. Is this the key?
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I can only bowl leg-spin googlies, no matter what I try I can't bowl a normal leggy
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I feel for you fellow leggie, I really do! I've had a crappy season on the bowling front-every bad ball goes for four, wish the batsmen would cut me some slack- don't they realise what a difficult art bowling leg spin is??!
I Think the key is a smooth run-up that provides enough energy so that you can attack the crease and spin the ball hard- but not so much that you bowl it too fast, losing flight and having a tendancy to drag it down. You just have to find out the right one for you, and decide what sort of leggie you want to be.
SK Warne walked in, but with purpose, but still had great flight and turned it square.
Afridi and Kumble bounce and run in, but bowl flat with mainly overspin. Mushtaq ahmed also bounced in, but managed to spin the ball up and dip and turn.
That's what the winter is for,to try new things and see what works for you.
it can be a lonely task, one that requires time and effort, and a captain that believes in you- but you will only achieve this through your own hard work so that you can prove to him that when you get the bll, you are going to land it in the right area more often than not.
wrist spin bowling by peter philpott is well worth reading btw.
Golders
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I've got the three different deliveries. Leggie straight one and wrong un. Can also chuck off spin but it's out of front of hand >:( just can't seem to get any sort of consistency with line and length. I'm training tonight so may use that as a run up gauntlet. I'll find that book online and get it read. I've read a few of warnies books as well but I can't spin the ball out of my third and fourth fingers like he does so often. It's all wrist with me. It's irritating for all us leggies, we know that batsmen struggle to play it... At any level and if it were an easy art to master Everyone would be in on it!!
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Nowadays legspin is not so much about how much you turn it but how accurate you are.
This is so true, spin is important but accuracy is vital. Over spin is still spin (that's what I tell myself anyway). This is a superb book if you haven't got it already,
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Art-Wrist-Spin-Bowling/dp/1861260636
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I'm a young'un, but I have been bowling leg-spin for as long as I can remember.
I have quite a few deliveries. Stock Leg break, Bouncier but less turn leggie, big leggie, off-break, top spinning leggie, top spinning offie (terrible delivery). I would love to know how to bowl a googly though!
Most are just variations of the stock leg-break, but they get quite a few batsmen in trouble. I love bowling to adults, but not to juniors- Juniors try to smack it all the time, whereas adults are conservative and more likely to get out.
Saying that, I managed 5-12 for school by dropping the same legbreak on middle stump. All were chipped to silly mid off, which shows that if you get it in the right place, rich dividends will hopefully occur!
Try The Art of Wrist Spin Bowling, by Peter Philpott and The Art and Science of Cricket, byt Bob Woolmer. Both are superb books and are very helpfull!
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The 'Dippa' is a wonderful delivery- one would think that you spin the ball up and, as the greedy batsman shapes up for a huge heave (he thinks it's a full toss) the ball suddenly dips and clean bowls him! :D :D :D
In reality, however, the truth is slightly different- the dippa is the full bunger (you tend to think or shout f@#k at moment of release) and the muppet batsman simply misses it. However, when you gather with your teamates to celebrate, it is crucial at this point that the delivery was in fact your dipper and dipped at the last minute- helps as fast bowlers are always trying to knock our wickets.
It's quite fun also to run around like a mad man and, with arms aloft shout ''Dippaa!!Dippa! Got him with the dippa!!!""
Happy Dippa-ing,
Adam
Hey us fast bowlers have a dipper too... AKA "The Slob" invented by Ian Pont... grip ball like a grenade and just before release just open your whole hand, looks to the batsman like it will be a full toss but suddenly dips at the end as there is no pace behind it!
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I'm a young'un, but I have been bowling leg-spin for as long as I can remember.
I have quite a few deliveries. Stock Leg break, Bouncier but less turn leggie, big leggie, off-break, top spinning leggie, top spinning offie (terrible delivery). I would love to know how to bowl a googly though!
Most are just variations of the stock leg-break, but they get quite a few batsmen in trouble. I love bowling to adults, but not to juniors- Juniors try to smack it all the time, whereas adults are conservative and more likely to get out.
Saying that, I managed 5-12 for school by dropping the same legbreak on middle stump. All were chipped to silly mid off, which shows that if you get it in the right place, rich dividends will hopefully occur!
Try The Art of Wrist Spin Bowling, by Peter Philpott and The Art and Science of Cricket, byt Bob Woolmer. Both are superb books and are very helpfull!
I was banned from bowling an off=spin delivery as it's so obvious so I made myself learn a googly. Still doesn't come out perfectly but I got most of my wickets with it last year. Watch Terry Jenner on youtube.
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I have been watching his videos, very useful to me- Richie Benaud has some on the BBC website aswell, a complete masterclass!
I really want nets to start, need a good, un-injured year in cricket!