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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: norbs on August 24, 2010, 09:48:44 PM
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A simple question, as you see people state it all the time!
Ping is an adjective so...... What is "ping"?
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The return of expended energy?
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I see it as the responsiveness of the willow. If a ball or mallet flies of the middle then I judge it to have good 'ping'
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I believe most people use the word ping to describe the response of the blade when tapping with a mallet or ball.
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The word Ping has several different meanings and uses like IT.
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i do not use the word but suggest it not so much the middle to me it the size of it and the response of the area above and below the precieved area to gage the quality of the bat...
then you have to go into a world of wickets you play on and batting style to find the right level for the middle
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Could also have something to do with the sound of the bat?
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Oh me, I can see this being a lengthy conversation! I'm going with responsiveness batwise. Que someone with a proper scientific analysis of it....
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A highly over rated and over used word especially when there is a bat for sale.
Actually ive never seen a bat review where the bat didnt ping... but then who would admit to buying a plank ;)
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A highly over rated and over used word especially when there is a bat for sale.
Actually ive never seen a bat review where the bat didnt ping... but then who would admit to buying a plank ;)
This is my view too - Ping is an imaginary phrase used to sell and market bats.
A good bat for one person maybe a plank for someone else. It comes down to timing - plus a bat might sound good with a mallet and with a ball be terrible.
I once shelled out £150 for a puma bat, used it in 2 or three games plus nets and thought it was terrible with no middle. I gave it to a mate who scored 150 with it and said it was the best bat he had ever used, so he pinched it (to be fair he is one of my oldest mates and I know where he lives!)
Ping? it is boll*cks. Can you time the ball with the bat, that is what matters.
Douglas Jardine doesn't mention "ping", nor does Don Bradman or Jack Hobbs, or for that matter Alex Stewart, Ali Brown or Graham Thorpe.
Barry Richards used the phrase "trampoline" to describe one of Hershall Gibbs' bats when he was trying it. The ball rebounded off the bat into a light and smashed it. That is the same Barry Richards who has terrible hair, but was arguably the greatest timer of a cricket ball of all time.
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i do not use the word but suggest it not so much the middle to me it the size of it and the response of the area above and below the precieved area to gage the quality of the bat...
then you have to go into a world of wickets you play on and batting style to find the right level for the middle
this is y i rate my solitaire so highly ... pretty much the whole of the face of the bat is like a middle its very forgiving..
allot of the big shots i go for are not timed and are usually all power but even if i catch it on the edge of the bat or the bottom the ball just flys.
but id describe ping as something when ur knocking in a bat or just literally knocking the ball up in the air. not playing shots just knocking ball up with no effort
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It's a golf brand isn't it....
As already alluded to, I would use the word ping to describe responsiveness.
Actually that's bilge, I use the word responsiveness to describe responsiveness. I try my best not to use the P word. People that use the word 'ping' sound like numpties in my opinion.
In fact, especially when using a brand new bat, I would say it's even more annoying. I personally think you can only really gauge the responsiveness of a bat once it's been played in over several innings.
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Didnt realise so many people were offended by the word ping.
Ping is simply, as said by others, just a word to describe how good the middle is. Its best used in cricket shops. As you can hit 3 bats against eachother and usually tell which one has a better middle, and ping is just the worst to describe which is better(i.e - this has better ping). They could say middle, i have no idea why they dont but they dont.
But yeah, I think you can really only describe ping when in a shop with many bats. Cause then you can really see how it compares to others. EG - I went through every Kooka Players a few years ago and found the one which was most responsive, or had the best ping.
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It's a golf brand isn't it.
Norbs - this is your answer.
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Hey - I beg to differ!
My Ping-o-meter machine (patent pending) measures the trampoline like qualities of a bat. ;)
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Pete - will your Ping-o-meter(TM) machine be measured by way of the number of lightbulbs you break?
0 = club bat, to be used by most mortals ???
1 = test match bat :D
2 = Petehosk standard 8)
3 = Norbs quality ping, aka Extreme Trampoline(TM)? :o
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Hey - I beg to differ!
My Ping-o-meter machine (patent pending) measures the trampoline like qualities of a bat. ;)
Many a word is said in jest, you can do this
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Can you press a bat by mallet only? What I mean is that you use no pressing machine at all and just go up and down the face with the mallet until you reach that 'perfect ping', it would probably take a while though.
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i think this would be difficult as the press compresses the wood evenly from what iv seen as its like a heavy roller....i thought it said about by approx 5mm in the DF video that Pete posted a link too the other week?
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Many a word is said in jest, you can do this
I know the word doesn't exist but in all seriousness, the way I see "Ping" is:
- The echo and noise it makes when you tap the willow listening closely to it
- The responsiveness of the blade when bouncing a ball or a mallet of the blade
- How a throw down or bowled ball flies/rebounds off a forward defensive shot
Obviously this isn't a science! It's more of making use of your senses...touch, feel, sound and others when carrying out these tests. And when you find a good 'en, what is the point?? Well.......in my opinion the point is the feeling that sort of 'ping' or responsiveness gives you - confidence, well being. The birds chirping in the tress, and the church bells ringing in the distance as you stroke that ball effortlessly to the boundary! The gentle clapping as your team mates exclaim, "Shot!"
Or maybe I'm talking bs!! ???
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i think this would be difficult as the press compresses the wood evenly from what iv seen as its like a heavy roller....i thought it said about by approx 5mm in the DF video that Pete posted a link too the other week?
Difficult but not impossible? I ask because James Laver has that Reserve bat, "The face of this bat is flat and prepared mostly by hand mallet for the pressing."
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I know that the best can tell by simply striking the bat with a mallet or finger flicking if it is anywhere between out of this world and firewood.
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How does the finger flick work? what are you listening for?
A few pros iv played with say they can tell a good bat just from flicking it, how is it possible?!
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You are after a frequency response, similar to the sound from the mallet but on a smaller scale, always thought it was bo****ks until Malik and AS Sports visited me last year, they went through a pile of bats finger flicking with no reaction, then they found one of my laminates and the look on their faces showed they had stumbled across something very special, you couldn't tell by looking, Leo will back this up!!!
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You are after a frequency response, similar to the sound from the mallet but on a smaller scale, always thought it was bo****ks until Malik and AS Sports visited me last year, they went through a pile of bats finger flicking with no reaction, then they found one of my laminates and the look on their faces showed they had stumbled across something very special, you couldn't tell by looking, Leo will back this up!!!
Nice bat... couldn't find the join until Mike showed me!
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How does the finger flick work? what are you listening for?
A few pros iv played with say they can tell a good bat just from flicking it, how is it possible?!
It is difficult to describe, i always pick my bats by finger flicking it. It is the sound which tells me How good the bat is
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I too thought it was a load of bull. But by the sounds of it there is something behind it after all. I should probably apologise to a few people who iv taken the piss out of for flicking bats in the changing room ha ha.
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Norbs (SAF) does if too!
He can tell by holding the bat almost to his ear and tapping with his finger.
I have tried the same with my bats, and there is certainly differences in sound and vibration!!!