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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: johan95 on September 18, 2010, 07:52:47 AM
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Hey guys,
Got any predictions about the Ashes, as it's nocmt that far away..., would be very interested to hear your thoughts on both teams' batting lineups..!
Fire away!
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england 2-1
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I'd say something along those lines, but what do you reckon about the teams for the 1st test?
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depends on our warm up matches... if we do well in those games, get a bit of cinfidence then we have a great chance
we will look like this,
strauss
cook
trott
KP
Colly
Bell/Morgan
Prior
Broad
Swann
Andersen
Finn
Aussies:
Katich
Watson
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
North (on his expieriance in the last ashes)
Haddin
Johnson
Hauritz
Siddle/Hilfenhaus
Bollinger
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I think that's right; I doubt England would take a punt on Morgan just yet, and hilfenhaus will be a dead cert for the aussies as he can bowl overs and overs on end...! It looks to be an interesting series already!
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I think they will go for Bell over Morgan, huge series for KP as well.
I think we'll lose 3-1
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Confident eh? I think youre right about our batsmen, I reckon a 2-1 win fir whoever wins it.
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I just think its too big an ask for this side to win out there, i think they arent mentally strong enough to cope with the aussies (on and off the pitch). Will be key for the players under pressure (KP and Cook especially) that they get off to good starts, if that happens i think they might do better than my 3-1 prediction
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You make some good points there, I agree with some!
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australia 4-0
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I'll be pleasantly surprised if im wrong! Just think alot of people in england cricket are starting to suffer from the football team problem of thinking they are better than what they really are. If thats to be exposed, australia is the place!
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I was thinking about this last night - I don't think there will any draws over there so i'm going to for a 3-2 England win.
The team pretty much picks itself but if KP isn't performing does he get dropped? who comes in for him? Morgan/Bopara?
I think we're the move innovative team around at the moment and we've got a lot of mentally tough players in the squad such as Strauss, Colly, Trott, Broad, Swann. Which also we've got the best spinner in the world in our ranks and not a bad second spinner Tredwell/Rashid who they can both bat a bit as well.
Where it comes down to is where it usually does - taking wickets in Aus and with the addition of Finn we've got a good bowling line up. I hope Anderson takes some wickets as his bowling average away from England isn't great and hopefully he can prove a few doubters wrong...
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It's true, hardly any England players are prolific down under...
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KP averaged over 50 last time....
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True, but what will he do this time is the million dollar question
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England 2-2 Australia
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Any result is possible in either teams favour..!
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Surely Steve smith will play?
Aussies
1. Watson
2. Katich
3. Ponting
4. Clarke
5. Hussey
6. North
7. Haddin
8. Smith
9. Johnson
10. Bollinger
11. Hilfenhaus
England
1. Strauss
2. Trott
3. Pietersen
4. Collingwood
5. Bopara
6. Bell
7. Prior
8. Broad
9. Swann
10. Finn
11. Anderson / Shazhad
2-2
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Ponting has already said that hauritz is his first choice. Surprised youve put bopara in, hasnt played a test since '09 3rd test. Cook can make ugly runs too, and has determination and grit
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Ponting has already said that hauritz is his first choice. Surprised youve put bopara in, hasnt played a test since '09 3rd test. Cook can make ugly runs too, and has determination and grit
Agree with that, I can't see Bopara getting infront of Cook - I can't really see Cook being dropped unless things go really tits up for him on tour...
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id be very surprised if shazhad gets the nod over anderson (especially for the 1st game)
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i dont think ravi will even be in the touring party
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yEah shazad won't get picked unless one bowler flops, or maybe at Perth, no swann. Ravi will only be in for odis,not tests IMO.
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I'd pick Swann for Perth even if it doesn't turn because he can get drift and he's clever.
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Owais Shah said that he thinks the batting lineup should be:
Strauss
Cook/Carberry
Trott
KP
Collingwood
Bell
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I'd definitely have Bell in, he's class.
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I think left hand right hand at the top works, cook had problems with left arm over so with doug the rug and Mitchell in I don't see any escapeism for him. I think if we had trott cook and colly we are having a lot of ugly unclassical players , wheras with bell and bopara you've got the classical players who can keep the basics right and chalk up runs from there.
Hauritz is not an ashes standard bowler for me. He's not a big spinner if the ball, doesn't have any real variations and is definitely a number 9. Steve Smith turns it big, can bat, and has the top spinner. Afterall we know the impact of leg spin on ashes series....
Shazhad not for the 1st test but if Anderson isn't swinging it then the pace and hit the deck option of Shazhad could be useful.
Btw, that is what I would like the team to be and this is what I think the team will be
Strauss
Cook
Trott
Pietersen
Collingwood
Bell
Prior
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Finn
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Joe, I take your point about Swann.
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thebd - Hauritz turns the ball appreciably mate. you've been watching the wrong games. did you not watch the ashes in england? he made our batsmen look village at times! He's also got a good arm ball, gets a lot of bounce, and can more than hold a bat. Steve Smith is a quite dreadful leg-spinner. if you've not seen his FC bowling record, have a look, it's poor. And not just Aussie-current-spinner-poor, but averaging 47 with the ball and taking a wicket less than once an innings? http://www.cricinfo.com/australia/content/player/267192.html
Shazhad is nowhere near test level, I hate to tell you. Anderson should be first seamer on the team-sheet.
Same team as usual: Strauss, Cook, Trott, KP, Colly, Bell, Prior, Broad, Swann, Anderson, Finn, with Rashid, Morgan, Carberry, Steve Davies, and a back-up seamer. Sorted.
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Will Onions be fit?
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I agree that we should start with anderson, but we all know how average hw can be in non swinging conditions and yes that is the team I think that will start.
I watched all 5 days at edgbaston 09 from the pavillion, so had a decent view of the turn. Ok maybe hauritz will take a few wickets in the first couple of test but I think the England team will soon work him out.
No onions is out for the forseeable future, back operation(s)
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Will Onions be fit?
I don't think so - didn't he just have surgery on his back or something?
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I'd take an experienced Anderson over Shazhad. He's just not good enough! And Hauritz is a better spinner than 99% of people give him credit for. Steve Smith can barely turn the ball, he doesn't get a lot of spin on his topspinners, and from what I saw he perennially bowls short deliveries... I'll pass on him thanks!
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As an Aussie, they're likely to pile on the runs so would rather have Smith who may go for a few more runs but will take wickets. Shazhad ONLY IF ANDERSON IS POOR.
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Flintoff not fit?? ;)
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Couple of good points knocking around here.
It will be a massive test for us out there. Anderson has to take a lot of responsibility because the back up seamers we have at the minute are not good enough, Shazhad is nowhere near a test match bowler.
Swann could have a massive impact I think but in equal measure my jury is out on Broad. He comes across as mentally naïve and petulant, he could be found out in Aus.
I think our batting will be fine, it'll be won and lost on how our bowlers perform.
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England hedging their bets on will Swann won't pay off. I'm recent times Kumble has been the most successful overseas spinner, 49 wickets @ 37, which isn't great. Other spinners have struggled, Murali (being the best of all time averages 70 per wicket), Harbhajan(similar average to Murali, but gets picked as he owns Punter), Vettori, Kaneria & Ajmal.
Going into Gabba I wouldn't be surprised if Australia went in with 4 seamers. Gabba offers the most swing and seam. Also Ponting has said his 3 front line seamers are Johnson, Siddle & Hilfenhaus.
Steven Smith is way behind Hauritz. Smith isn't certain to get a gig in India, so why would he play in Australia?
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After a period of thought, this is now my team to take on the aussies. Each format different. Controversial but I think strong.
Test
Strauss
Cook
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Morgan
Prior
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Finn
One Day
Strauss
Prior
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Bopara
Morgan
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Shazhad
T20
Adams
Prior
Pietersen
Bell
Collingwood
Morgan
Yardy
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Shazhad
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After a period of thought, this is now my team to take on the aussies. Each format different. Controversial but I think strong.
Test
Strauss
Cook
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Morgan
Prior
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Finn
One Day
Strauss
Prior
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Bopara
Morgan
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Shazhad
T20
Adams
Prior
Pietersen
Bell
Collingwood
Morgan
Yardy
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Shazhad
No Colly in the test team? He was the only player to get any runs in the whitewash last time we were out there.
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no offense but do you really believe that england are going to change the current side in all formats ?? shazad - dont be silly and adams to make his debut in australia ? proir to be givien his place back after doing nothing, droping colly in the test squad ??
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That's a very controversial team, what's just been said is entirely true IMO...
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prior doing nothing?
check his stats in this seasons 40 over and t20 sussex games.
My first pick would have been sidebottom for the t20s....
Did you see the way Collingwood batted today and since the Bangladesh games?
Did you watch adams at all this season in the t20s?
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Yeah point taken, but surely you go for tried and tested, especially Down under?!
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no, I think that in order to take on the aussies in their own back yard I think we don't want to be bland and boring.
We need to take the attack to the aussies, not so much in style of play but as in team selection etc, we need not to be the typically meek englishman, again metaphorically not literally
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Test would be
Strauss
Cook
Trott
Kp
Colly
Bell
Prior
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Finn
Odi
Strauss
Davies
Kp
Bell
Colly
Morgan
Wright
Yardy
Broad
Swann
Anderson
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prior doing nothing?
check his stats in this seasons 40 over and t20 sussex games.
My first pick would have been sidebottom for the t20s....
Did you see the way Collingwood batted today and since the Bangladesh games?
Did you watch adams at all this season in the t20s?
yes adams hit runs against county bowlers so lets put him in the team againts the aussies who would give him a battering!
Look, the current england side is balanced and is a winning side, they will not change it. the team will be the team which is playin now ,
Test team everyone knows that
one day will be, strauss,davies,trott,kp,morgan,collingwood,wright/bresnan,yardy,swann,broad,anderson with ravi/bell 12th man
t20 - kieswetter,davies,kp,colly,morgan,wright,yardy,bresnan,broad,swann, sidebottom/ if hes retired then prob be anderson ?
so apart from a replacement for sidebottom in the t20 there is no need for talk on adams,proir,shazad etc
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and kieswetter can't score runs against a county bowlers so lets put him in the team.
And no bell in the odis?
DId u watch anything on saturday ?
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so your answer is to drop everyone who has some bad form ?
Yes, great knock from bell. The only way he can get in the team is instead of trott so maybe but did you see him today ?? hit it straight to a.ali, dont get me wrong bell is one of my favourite players but he will still have to fight for his place with trott and not expect to walk straight in.
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kieswetter has always been in the t20 team since the world cup, so why should he be dropped? If you going to drop players like that we are going to end up like we were a few years ago when we had something like 13 different openning parnerships in 1 year ?
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You say good things bd, but my line of thinking is more with essexarsenals. Though having said that, trott and colly were appaling today!
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I suppose being 14 the wheels of change need to be constantly oiled and in motion to make me satisfied, but I am also open to other points of view and can see where you are coming from
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yes, well we shall see when the ashes squads are announced on thursday
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Have to be:
Cook
Strauss
Trott
KP
Collingwood
Bell
Prior
Swann
Broad
Anderson
Finn
I dont trust Bopara, he does have undoubted but just cant trust him. Plus there is a bit of extra bounce over there and he was bit exposed in the 09 ashes tests getting caught at gully. I like Trott/Colly/Cook they are all relatively calm and dont get flustered too easily, plus they done care how pretty there runs look. Interesting to see how KP goes over there.. Anderson is a better bowler than he gets credit for over there, i watched the last 3 tests over there last time and he had decent control had decent variations, plus the aussie batting isnt as formidable as last time round.
2-2
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Aussie bashing day is 15 minutes away!! :D :D
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Aussie bashing day is 15 minutes away!! :D :D
Colesy you beauty! Mate just been talking to my housemates about it, getting the sleeping strategy right and getting rather excited. It's like christmas!!!!
Currently got Jerusalem on youtube
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Lol, I'm off out in half an hour or so, whilst I'm out I'm stocking up on Lucozade and getting some food in.
Disappointed Gran Turismo 5 hasn't arrived yet though :(
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ANyone know any streaming sites, or any have sky player ID they would be willing to let me borrow?
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I keep trying to imagine what/how Andrew Strauss is feeling, having gunned for England for the past coming months, my mind switched earlier this weak, for some reason I just don't see us winning them
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Anyone know whats going on with the England Performance Squad game that was meant to start on thursday??? no updates on the BBC website
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Hildrith hit 206 that's all i know as it was on spn
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cant seem to find a scorecard anywhere ???
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http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/england/england-performance-programme/divine-nine-for-hildreth,312625,EN.html