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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: iand123 on September 23, 2010, 01:33:26 PM
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From Aggers twitter account...
strauss cook trott kp colly bell morgan prior davies swann monty broad, anderson finn tremlett bresnan
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Good squad.
A good performance squad as well to use as cover. Hildreth and Kieswetter in that.
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Why Monty?! Argh. Can't argue with the rest of the squad though. Definitely got the rest right. Would have preferred Rashid though!
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would prefer yardy to monty!!
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Rashid not in either squad, surely he will be feeling pretty hard done by. Bopara is playing First Class cricket somewhere or other, would have thought he would have made himself available for either squad, bit selfish imo
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Disappointed that Shahzad and Rashid have missed out to two guys that have been playing Div 2 cricket.
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Yardy would provide more batting than monty when playing 2 spinners
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Is Bresnan an international quality bowler??
Wheres the reverse swinger??
Broad, Finn and Tremlett too similar for me.
Adil Rashid where is he???
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would prefer yardy to monty!!
Yardy averages something ridiculous in Championship cricket
Tremlett's not a bad shout, been bowling well this year and he may suit Aussie conditions.
Bresnan - No
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Is Yardy going to take wickets in the 5 day game bowling his darts. . . come on
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fair enough.
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Panesar took over 50 wickets this summer and is a proper Test match bowler unlike Yardy
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Yeah im happy with Monty, has a good test record to be fair. And he did well in Australia last time round.... but I doubt England will play 2 spinners the only way he will get a game is if Swann is injured.
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whats davies championship batting like? Is he the best possible reserve keeper?
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Yeah im happy with Monty, has a good test record to be fair. And he did well in Australia last time round.... but I doubt England will play 2 spinners the only way he will get a game is if Swann is injured.
I remember someone saying that there may be 1 test where 2 spinners are required.
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SCG?
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Lets face it. . .that bowling attack is hardly going to give Ponting sleepless nights.
There are only 2 real qulaity bowlers there for me JA and GS and maybe SB.
God knows what they see in Bresnan??
Who has he played against. . . Bangladesh and a lack lustre Pakistan.
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I feel so sorry for Rashid, he has had a solid season and leg spinners are worth their weight in gold. To not even get a performance squad place must hurt.
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From what I have read people rate Davies as good enough to play Test cricket on his batting alone let alone being a keeper. At the Rose Bowl yesterday you didn't notice his keeping which I think is a very good thing as was very tidy indeed.
They have obviously lost faith in Rashid for whatever reason but surely he had to go in the Performance squad?
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I feel so sorry for Rashid, he has had a solid season and leg spinners are worth their weight in gold. To not even get a performance squad place must hurt.
And again, agreed completely! He also bats a damn sight better than Monty, has more variation, and is a strong fielder!
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But from a selectors point of view they must think Panesar has more control than Rashid who the Aussies could get after?
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Monty has had experience in test matches and an Ashes series. Rashid should've gone in the development squad
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But he doesn't even have that much control! If you attack Monty he goes to pieces! When his stock delivery isn't working for him he has nowhere else to go! Rashid has more variation, which could prove helpful if the Aussies try to attack him.
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I like the look of Davies more than Kieswetter but that's just my opinion.
Keepers are also worth their weight in gold, to me you have to be a brilliant keeper first then batting is a bonus which is why Chris Read (amongst others) would be my pick.
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SCG?
Yes, 2 spinners in the Sydney test
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Eoin Morgan has only got an incremental contract. As there are 11 players who have full central contracts, are they only permitted to name 11 central contracts?
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If Morgan keeps playing all formats he will automatically trigger a full central contract before too long - that is the way it works these days.
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I know most people are disappointed Rashid is not in the squad but an ashes series is not one for a player without test experience. He would only be targeted and taken to pieces by the Aussies. Just look at Mcgain last year
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If Morgan keeps playing all formats he will automatically trigger a full central contract before too long - that is the way it works these days.
I know that, but i figured he'd have played enough games this year to be given a full contract staright away. I guess it shows that they still see him as not part of the full test XI for the immediate future
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Ajmal Shahzad should have been selected ahead of Tremlett or Bresan. Tough luck for the lad. Nevertheless, not a bad squad.
Middle order looks good if these play;
Trott, KP, Bell and Morgan.
Bowling looks fine as well. I would have preferred a swing bowler (Shehzad).
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Looking at it why on earth is Buttler not in the performance squad? Why would they go for Bairstow ahead of him?
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Shahzad should be in the main quad for me. He has deserved a place in the team and has the skill of reverse swinging the ball.
I have no idea why the selectors have left out Adil Rashid from both squads. I would pick him any day over Panesar, Briggs and Tredwell.
Adil Rashid with Yorkshire brought 732 runs at 45.75 alongside 57 wickets at 31.29.
Danny Briggs for Hampshire: 32 wickets at 39.43 (19 fair enough)
Tredwell: 37 wickets at 29.67 (he's is 28)
Adil Rashid is 22 and has already got 228 first class wicket and the most shocking this is that he has only played 5 ODI's and 5 T20I. Now what's going on here?
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tredwell is better than monty in my eyes and can bat a bit along with rashid, why temletts ahead of shahzad i dont know but tremlett will be back up so all good, whers buttler in the performance squad and great to see chambers in performance team, he had real good season for us and was unlucky with the injuries!
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I remember Younus Khan who has played along Adil Rashid was always in full praise of him. SO yes I also believe he deserve a selection ahead of Monty Panasar who has done absolutely nothing lately.
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I think the squad is pretty much spot on, with a few talking points.
Bresnan is poor but there is no-one else glaringly obvious in the seamers department who should have his place.
I can see why they've plumped for Monty but i reckon Rashid can feel very hard done too. In truth id rather have Ian Blackwell in the squad ahead of Tredwell or Yardy.
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I agree - Blackwell must have upset someone somewhere
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Shazhad is very unlucky, Bresnan is not international class (and Im a Yorkshireman!). Fair enough to Monty, I hope he does well as he has worked hard on his bowling and got decent rewards.....
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Blacky is class however he doesn't fit in with the fitness regime likes his guiness too much!
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here's a question for you, if samit patel was "fit" would he be in that ashes squad ??
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I've been reliably informed that, that individual may or may not be a bit full of himself and as a result has or has not been known to rub people up the wrong way.
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Shazhad isn't unlucky, he isn't good enough yet. He bowled well in one game for England, has fielded shockingly and isn't ready. He has been bigged up by Michael Vaughan and his management, I am not sure he is mentally strong enough either.
Samit Patel is an Idiot. He choice was to eat curry now and be a "I couldabeen" or be an international cricketer for 5 years make masses of cash in the indian premier league and then eat curry after beeing a star.
He chose to eat curry now.
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Shazhad isn't unlucky, he isn't good enough yet. He bowled well in one game for England, has fielded shockingly and isn't ready. He has been bigged up by Michael Vaughan and his management, I am not sure he is mentally strong enough either.
Samit Patel is an Idiot. He choice was to eat curry now and be a "I couldabeen" or be an international cricketer for 5 years make masses of cash in the indian premier league and then eat curry after beeing a star.
He chose to eat curry now.
Curry the stable food of Indian people?
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Jeet - no the indian take away version with extra cream and saturated fats - not the healthy food of the indian people.
Sorry if I caused offence - it is my utter frustration when a seriously talented player can't be bothered to be as good as he can be. Look at how freddie turned it around - it is possible. I am not saying Samit is as talented as Freddie - but the right attitude goes a long way in cricket - just ask Andrew Strauss or Paul Collingwood - not the most talented players in the world but two massively hard working ones.
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cant believe they picked panesar over rashid
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Samit is a shame, very talented cricketer just loves the food! Once saw him sneaking into a chip shop with hoody on his head to try and disguise it was him! His younger brother is a quality player though and has a different body shape!
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Jeet - no the indian take away version with extra cream and saturated fats - not the healthy food of the indian people.
Sorry if I caused offence - it is my utter frustration when a seriously talented player can't be bothered to be as good as he can be. Look at how freddie turned it around - it is possible. I am not saying Samit is as talented as Freddie - but the right attitude goes a long way in cricket - just ask Andrew Strauss or Paul Collingwood - not the most talented players in the world but two massively hard working ones.
My mistake mate, didn't realise that Samit is a takeaway guy.
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cant believe they picked panesar over rashid
Why not??
Monty has 100+ Test wickets and has taken a 5 wicket haul in Australian conditions
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After serious and in-depth discussion with the resident Aussie man who works at my local Esso station, he assures me that England will need 2 spinners at the SCG!!
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Anyone who fails a fitness test when they are a professional sportsman and they don't have a reasonable excuse i.e. injury or sickness, should be ashamed of themselves. That should have been an eye opener for him.
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Hasn't the scg been a good hunting ground for spinners over the past 15 years or so?? Two spinners would probably be nailed on.
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After serious and in-depth discussion with the resident Aussie man who works at my local Esso station, he assures me that England will need 2 spinners at the SCG!!
I wouldn't believe him.
Pak didn't play 2 spinners earlier this year at the SCG.
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Given the aussies don't have a decent spiner I think it is unlikely they will prepare a bunson for swann, the best bowler on either side.
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Given the aussies don't have a decent spiner I think it is unlikely they will prepare a bunson for swann, the best bowler on either side.
Hauritz is very under rated Buzz. I think he'll go well in India
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Hauritz comes across as a very defensive spinner where as swann is very attacking
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Hauritz is very under rated Buzz. I think he'll go well in India
Agreed, high quality spinner, and not utilised enough by Ponting IMO.
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I think Hauritz and Swann are similar... just used differently used by their captains
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a lot was made about hauritz bowling more attacking lines in oz last winter, when he started to take five-fors and give it a rip...
i still find it amazing that he can have success at international level yet was not being picked by his state prior to his call-up.
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I wouldn't believe him.
Pak didn't play 2 spinners earlier this year at the SCG.
The second spinner could not be convinced to throw the game wheres a pace bowler was!
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Could not disagree more swann turns it slot more than hauritz and just seems more attacking but the last one may be down to how the captain uses them as ponting does nit seem to trust his spinner where as Strauss would put it all on the line with swann
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Could not disagree more swann turns it slot more than hauritz and just seems more attacking but the last one may be down to how the captain uses them as ponting does nit seem to trust his spinner where as Strauss would put it all on the line with swann
doing some reading about hauritz and watching highlights, he is assuming a more attacking role.
http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/474278.html is just a taster. I'm not saying he is going to run through England, but he isn't that bad a bowler at all, and Ponting has been trusting him more.
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Well we will see as I can only comment on what I have seen but think it will be a very tight series 2-1 england
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a bit off-topic,
but why was jos buttler NOT included in the performance squad?
whereas danny briggs was.
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The most unluckiest player in 1st class cricket is Mark Wagh (Notts). This guy is better then Trott, bell and collingwood combined but is never ever considered to play for England or lions/A team.
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The most unluckiest player in 1st class cricket is Mark Wagh (Notts). This guy is better then Trott, bell and collingwood combined but is never ever considered to play for England or lions/A team.
i'm sure his salary as a corporate lawyer and his massive property portfolio makes up for it...
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a bit off-topic,
but why was jos buttler NOT included in the performance squad?
whereas danny briggs was.
lots of capable batsmen with more than 5 first class games are ahead of him? three first class ducks in a row really warrants recognition...
The lack of international class spinners would account for Briggs inclusion.
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The most unluckiest player in 1st class cricket is Mark Wagh (Notts). This guy is better then Trott, bell and collingwood combined but is never ever considered to play for England or lions/A team.
His first class average is 40, Bells/Trotts is higher but Collingwoods is lower. The problem with Wagh is that he has never really had profilic seasons averaging 60+, but always hovers around 35-45mark, whereas Collingwood in 2003 had a good year, Bell in 04 and Trott in 09, the selectors look for proflific form players.....
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imo, as a yorkshire fan, shahzad is better than bresnan, and i will never know how rashid has not been picked.( the stats shown by everyone before) back this up,
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Rashid and Bopara arent even in the Performance Squad! What are they doing this winter?
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Rashid and Bopara arent even in the Performance Squad! What are they doing this winter?
rashid is going to australia later on and ravi is playing cricket in south africa i beleive
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Adam Lyth I'm very pleased is selected to go across, he's done very well this season and deserves it. Hope he does well over in the Aussie conditions. IMO, I would pick Jason Krezja over Hauritz, how has he done the past wee while in state cricket? He offers a better option (slightly) with the bat, and I feel he's a better attacking option. Australia don't look half the team when they play a less attacking spinner!
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IMO, I would pick Jason Krezja over Hauritz, how has he done the past wee while in state cricket? He offers a better option (slightly) with the bat, and I feel he's a better attacking option. Australia don't look half the team when they play a less attacking spinner!
Krejza was pretty ordinary last season in the Australia domestic season. He took 14 F/C wickets @ 54.
Hauritz vs Krejza is a no brainer. Hauritz is far superior. 57 Test wickets @ 31.82. Hauritz is no mug with the bat either, he has 2 Test match 50's and averages 26 with the bat.
Additionally, Hauritz offers control, whereas Krejza goes around the park at a rate of knots!
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His first class average is 40, Bells/Trotts is higher but Collingwoods is lower. The problem with Wagh is that he has never really had profilic seasons averaging 60+, but always hovers around 35-45mark, whereas Collingwood in 2003 had a good year, Bell in 04 and Trott in 09, the selectors look for proflific form players.....
Are you suggesting that the man who got a double ton on the last ashes tour down under shouldn't play?
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My mistake mate, didn't realise that Samit is a takeaway guy.
He really is, I've got a pic of him from the 6th ODI last year at Trent Bridge nailing a cheeseburger from a burger van outside! Classic!
a bit off-topic,
but why was jos buttler NOT included in the performance squad?
whereas danny briggs was.
What Alvaro said.
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rashid is going to australia later on and ravi is playing cricket in south africa i beleive
But not with the Performance squad right? Or is he going for domestic cricket???
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But not with the Performance squad right? Or is he going for domestic cricket???
He is going to play grade cricket i beleive, Not with the performance squad
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Feel very bad for him. He has put in a lot of effort which has paid off in the season. To not get rewarded yet again must knock him down a bit.