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Title: Matthew Hayden
Post by: DaNNo on May 21, 2008, 08:46:00 AM
This guy is the greatest Australian batsmen in my oppinion  :D  and just a good role model his huge, strong can smack any Bowler in the world for 4 or 6 and he use to have a good knock with Langer before Langer retired  ;D
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: Howzat on May 21, 2008, 03:28:03 PM
A good role model! He winds everyone up and is really arrogant! haha
Oh well hes a class play but his drives need a little work
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: stevie on May 21, 2008, 07:08:58 PM
Would call him a role model because of his attitude but not because of his manner.
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: Changy on May 21, 2008, 07:12:11 PM
Couldnt agree more mate! Got to have the biggest and hardest hit in the world!
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: DaNNo on May 22, 2008, 12:20:44 PM
yh true
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: Sambo on May 23, 2008, 07:53:27 AM
Your joking leo aren't you. his straight drives are probably up with the best in the world. yet not technically correct but technicality is nothing.
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: Richie on May 23, 2008, 09:37:27 PM
Yeah, if it aint broke don't fix it!!
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: Changy on May 23, 2008, 09:44:03 PM
I would say he's entertaining to watch but I wouldn't really base my shots around his or copy his actions on the field!
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: Johnny on May 23, 2008, 10:30:58 PM
who set up the pole at the top? Versus Collingwood & Bell, Hayden would get my vote - but versus Vaughan, Pietersen, Kallis, Ponting?

Hayden is a good player and has played a very significant role in a great team - the greatest? Not in my opinion
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: stevie on May 25, 2008, 09:09:50 AM
Agree with you there johnny he was a good but not the greatest tendulkar, laram  ponting and vaughn are all better thaan him when on form,
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: sammyboy on May 27, 2008, 12:21:32 PM
I agree, I think the best batsman in the world over the last few years has been Ponting, there is no way why people like collingwood should be there
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: stevie on May 27, 2008, 02:57:50 PM
No way sammyboy. He's had one good knock in recent memory no way is he the best in the world at the moment. That tag goes to Chanderpaul for me. He is the perfect test player gets his head down and scores rund concistantly.
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: sammyboy on May 27, 2008, 03:01:26 PM
Mate Im talking about the last few years and for me it is Ponting or if not Hussey
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: stevie on May 27, 2008, 03:02:43 PM
Ah if your talking the last few years then i partially agree with you but in your post you said at the moment.
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: sammyboy on May 27, 2008, 03:05:29 PM
Oh sorry mate Ill edit that now
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: Sambo on May 31, 2008, 10:54:04 AM
Vaughn? is that english bias.
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: DaNNo on June 02, 2008, 09:42:09 AM
Vaughn? he is pants in my oppinion the hasent scored enough runs to be no. 3 in the england squad give it to bell
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: stevie on June 02, 2008, 05:13:43 PM
He smacked the aussies all over the place two tours ago down under under. And he is still a class player and the best captain in world cricket.
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: Richie on June 02, 2008, 09:00:40 PM
He is a great captain, and when he gets his batting right, he looks top drawer.
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: Nozza on June 02, 2008, 10:24:44 PM
He smacked the aussies all over the place two tours ago down under under. And he is still a class player and the best captain in world cricket.

That was 4 to 5 years ago
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: Sameer on June 03, 2008, 08:27:31 AM
How can Gilly be a better batsmen than Hayden?
Without Hayden, Gilly would not be able to play his risky shots.. Hayden is the rock for me

Best batsmen would be one who performs in TESTS, Odi's, t20's (in that order)?

Stats time?

Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: Sambo on June 03, 2008, 09:40:00 AM
this is hard to judge as hayden was probably one of the best if not the the best opener of all time. gilchrist changed the opening batsman in ODI's and was the most prolific keeper in history in Odi's and tests. gilchrist created a new batting style. hayden had a highly modified one. hayden brought charging the fast bowler into new stead. gilchrist bought back the live-by-the-sword die-by-the-sword. they both hit what there was to hit. both scored rapidly.

In having said all this i think gilchrist wasn't nessecarily the 'best' but changed the game the most. had he not been around people like mcullum of NZ would be harrased by media and former players alike with their styles. I don't neccesarily think that 'best' should be decided runs or averages. but whose to say that it isn't.
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: stevie on June 04, 2008, 03:27:53 PM
Haydan is right up there with the best of all time but not the best. That for me would be Len Hutton. Anyway agree with all your second paragraph sambo.
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: Nozza on June 05, 2008, 01:40:23 AM
Gilchrist changed the game the most of any indivudal that has ever played.  he made swinging the bat at the top of the innings the norm, however the biggest thing was having a strike rate of 100+ most innings changed the scoring rate of test cricket. 

His sportsmanship has changed the modern game with the win at all costs approach softened in the 2003 WC semi final when he walked.
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: stevie on June 06, 2008, 07:55:40 PM
How many people have followed suit with walking though? not many i bet. Also Gilchrist alone didn't change the rate that test runs are scored at as many people still score at under 50. They have increased but that is because of odi and 2020
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: Nozza on June 06, 2008, 10:23:12 PM
Well sangakarra walked in the semi final of the IPL didant he?

I mean some people refuse to but some do.
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: MD14 on June 07, 2008, 07:04:36 AM
Well sangakarra walked in the semi final of the IPL didant he?

I mean some people refuse to but some do.
But knowing Sangakkara he would walk of his own accord rather than because another player made it acceptable, it has nothing to do with Gilchrist in my opinion
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: stevie on June 07, 2008, 01:45:27 PM
So 1 person really proves gilly changes the game in that respect when Sangakara is the sort of guy who plays fair anyway.
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: DaNNo on June 09, 2008, 09:31:51 AM
gilly shows respect and 9 times outa 10 he gets it back
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: dan_griffin11 on June 09, 2008, 11:43:46 PM
not sure any of them are great? Bell has the best technique so i voted him, although i'd rather have Hayden in my team. As for Collingwood, that's a joke!
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: Nozza on June 10, 2008, 07:27:34 AM
I would not mind having gilly and hayden opening my innings!!
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: Sambo on June 16, 2008, 09:26:40 AM
geez mate im sure anybody else in the world wouldn't either
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: raymond on June 23, 2008, 09:40:55 PM
Haydos in 2005 was one match away from being dropped but then scored a ton, shows the nature of his character, bit like strauss recently
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: joshierox on October 13, 2008, 01:39:56 AM
Your joking leo aren't you. his straight drives are probably up with the best in the world. yet not technically correct but technicality is nothing.
his technique is fine. he has an open Stace with a nice healthy back lift.
Title: Re: Matthew Hayden
Post by: Coach on October 20, 2008, 02:59:03 PM
not deniying colly has had his dips but people sayibg hes not worldclass? scoring a double ton in aus says he is!