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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: espocrespo on November 02, 2010, 07:34:07 AM
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If New Zealand play anything like they did against Bangladesh, then India will annihilate them in the Test matches.
I read on cricinfo the possible proposal of the 2 NZ islands playing in AU domestic cricket, which i think will be good for improving the top standard, but maybe hard to get the youngsters through. Unless NZ kept there current domestic teams also.
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I see Sehwag is nearing yet another double ton in rapid time. What an awesome player he is!
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A poor attack coupled with another indian flat dull pitch means this will no doubt turn into a run fest
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These flat dull pitches produced "results" against the aussies
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True, i still expect the Indian 1st innings total to be over 500
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Fabulous day of cricket, if your a fan of India or enjoy batting.
Sehwag was a threat to watch, as usually. He seemed to be batting on a different wicket compared to the rest of India's batsmen. He made Gambhir and Dravid look ordinary at times.
Dravid's hundred was a positive and a negative. Good he's in form ahead of the tour of South Africa, but he's now keeping Pujara out of the team.
A poor attack coupled with another indian flat dull pitch means this will no doubt turn into a run fest
Run feast maybe for India, but India's bowlers are a lot better than NZ's. You have to feel Harbhajan will out bowl Vettori, as Harbhajan actually spins the ball. Ojha(excellent vs Oz) will out bowl Patel, who was very disappointing.
Zaheer is in a different league to Martin & Bennett, who was pretty good on debut.
Additionally, NZ's batting isn't in the same league as India's, with only Vettori having played a Test in India before. The pitch has already started to wear rapidly.
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Boring first day. Utterly terrible. And Vettori is in my opinion, a far superior bowler to Harbhajan. Admittedly, Zaheer is class. I think if NZ had won the toss that it'd be different. Sick of these boring Indian pitches, where the first 2 and a half days are a batting paradise, and the last 2 and a half are slow turners. Yawn.
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The world would be a more boring place if all the wickets were alike.
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I dont disagree that India are a far superior side to NZ, just i find these flat pitches a bit dull
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the flat pitches are alright, when its a one sided game, cuz its clear NZ aren't gonna get what ever India get in there first innings, and if they do it will take both of NZ's innings.
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And Vettori is in my opinion, a far superior bowler to Harbhajan.
Danny Vettori wishes he was as good a bowler as Harbhajan, spinners main aim is to spin the ball - something Vettori doesn't do.
Vettori is a more complete cricketer, fine skipper, quality batsman and a decent spinner.
Harbhajan is a match winning spinner.
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But half of the idea of taking wickets is to work in tandem with someone. Bhaji has Zaheer, and normally a fairly good spinner in the ranks to work with. Danny Vettori doesn't even have Shane Bond anymore, he can't take 20 wickets by himself. On bowling alone I'd prefer Danny, cannier, outstanding control, and he DOES turn the ball, just not on a first day flat track, which is of course the hunting ground for every spinner going. /sarcasm.
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Danny Vettori wishes he was as good a bowler as Harbhajan, spinners main aim is to spin the ball - something Vettori doesn't do.
Im sure as long as Vettori is taking wickets he couldnt care less!
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But half of the idea of taking wickets is to work in tandem with someone. Bhaji has Zaheer, and normally a fairly good spinner in the ranks to work with. Danny Vettori doesn't even have Shane Bond anymore, he can't take 20 wickets by himself. On bowling alone I'd prefer Danny, cannier, outstanding control, and he DOES turn the ball, just not on a first day flat track, which is of course the hunting ground for every spinner going. /sarcasm.
Danny Morrison and Simon Doull both on air said Vettori doesn't turn the ball, unless the wicket is a dust-bowl. But if you know better than the ex pros, I'll take your word for it.
Harbhajan has variations when the wicket is flat to get batsmen out.
Vettori has to rely on the batsmen making an error, so he's not capable of getting the batsmen out.
I've got nothing against Vettori, wonderful player and a true gentleman. I love watching him bowl, he's just not form the very top draw of world class spinners.
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Im sure as long as Vettori is taking wickets he couldnt care less!
I'm pretty sure of that as well, but turning the ball would make his job easier!
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Vettori has to rely on the batsmen making an error, so he's not capable of getting the batsmen out.
Thats a very big statement to make, all of a sudden you know more than the ex pro's!
Pride comes before a fall Jeet ;)
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Thats a very big statement to make, all of a sudden you know more than the ex pro's!
Pride comes before a fall Jeet ;)
Not sure what you're implying, I'm merely repeating what the comms said during the morning session.
Just I cut to the chase in what i said in my last post.
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He doesn't turn it as much as he used to, when he was younger he got a lot of revolutions on the ball and got some sharp turn at times. Have you ever actually LISTENED to Doull and Morrison? Morrison's hilarious but not exactly the brightest bulb in the shed, and Simon Doull will go on what's in front of him on a specific day. Danny Vettori may not turn the ball on a day 1 Ahmedabad flat track, but he will start to turn the ball tomorrow, not many finger spinners turn it on a day one pitch anywhere! Harbhajan hasn't been a match-winning spinner for a few years. He played better when Kumble was bowling with him, now that he's the main spinner he's been below par (comparatively, he's still been a good spinner). I also feel that Harbhajan lacks the control to be India's main spinner. Also, he's not had to bowl at Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, etc. on a flat first day track. It'd be interesting to see this discussion if the boot was on the other foot...
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He doesn't turn it as much as he used to, when he was younger he got a lot of revolutions on the ball and got some sharp turn at times. Have you ever actually LISTENED to Doull and Morrison? Morrison's hilarious but not exactly the brightest bulb in the shed, and Simon Doull will go on what's in front of him on a specific day. Danny Vettori may not turn the ball on a day 1 Ahmedabad flat track, but he will start to turn the ball tomorrow, not many finger spinners turn it on a day one pitch anywhere! Harbhajan hasn't been a match-winning spinner for a few years. He played better when Kumble was bowling with him, now that he's the main spinner he's been below par (comparatively, he's still been a good spinner). I also feel that Harbhajan lacks the control to be India's main spinner. Also, he's not had to bowl at Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, etc. on a flat first day track. It'd be interesting to see this discussion if the boot was on the other foot...
Well Patel got a few balls to rip big, shame he bowled so much dross in-between. Williamson even got a few to turn, not as much as Patel though.
What's your obsession with flat pitches? There was movement on offer, big Jesse got the ball the nibble. Bennett got some movement but was slightly leg side. Gambhir and Dravid are hardly mugs with the willow and where in trouble for parts of their innings. Dravid had 17 off 90 odd balls at one stage, hardly indicating a flat track no? Sehwag just makes batting look easy.
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Career averages might help...
Vettori - 100 tests, 325 wickets @ 33.86. 2.64 RPO
- 259 ODIs, 275 wickets @ 30.9. 4.12 RPO
Singh - 87 tests, 368 wickets @ 31.66. 2.82 RPO
- 212 ODIs, 242 wickets @ 32.84. 4.3 RPO
Conclusion, Singh's test record is superior except in RPO. Vettori is a better ODI bowler.
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India having somewhat of a collapse at 15-4! Maybe this pitch does have life in it after all
EDIT: In the time it took to take this another has dropped, 15-5 now
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WOW!, superb spell from Chris Martin!
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Chris Martin! Outstanding!
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Chris Martin was fantastic, seems to be very under-rated.
Rahul Dravid has to retire now. dropped two catches that cost India 130 runs, then runs out Sehwag. Idiot!
India needs to make at least 3 changes for the next Test, whatever the outcome of this match is.
Gambhir, Dravid and Raina should be ditched. Porbably along with Sreesanth. Replacements would be Vijay, Rahane, Pujara and Ishant.
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Great Test Cricket IMO, momentum changing from one side to the other very quickly!
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Great Test Cricket IMO, momentum changing from one side to the other very quickly!
Exactly, also proving not all Indian pitches are roads!
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(http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/124400/124415.jpg)
i am bored and have been at wheat beer (do you like erdinger fattus?) and found this pic, holmes that i am...
seems that bhaji didn't get the white spirit out after stripping the labels from one of sachin's bats.
whoop.
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Harbhajan needs to remember how to take wickets, he;s not in the side to score 100's.
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But surely it's not a bad thing....
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True. At least he's pulling his weight in the side with the bat if he's not taking wickets..
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Harbhajan is tap ;)
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But surely it's not a bad thing....
Well clearly not, Zaheer has got injured as he's having to carry Harbhajan's mediocre bowling. India can't afford to lose Zak before they tour South Africa.
True. At least he's pulling his weight in the side with the bat if he's not taking wickets..
His batting is merely a form of slogging, there are better players in the domestic circles.
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Harbhajan is tap ;)
What does that mean?
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Ground's man in Nagpur deserves an award for producing a sporting wicket! Pitch offers something to the fast bowlers, a little bit of spin and good for batting, once the batsmen get it.
Groundsmen in Ahmedabad and Hyderabad should take note, and not produce pitches flatter than the national highways!
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Not sure if anyone cares, but India and NZ are currently playing a 5 match ODI series.
India won the series this morning 3-0. It's been men vs boys. NZ have been ground into the dirt.
Gambhir has had a fine series as skipper, back to back unbeaten 100s. Kohli has also be wonderful, 3 scores of 50 or more, including 100 in the 1st game(4 in a row if you include his 100 vs Oz in the previous series). Gambhir must be putting pressure on MS Dhoni, as Dhoni isn't everyone's cup of tea in India, and in many quarters is regarded a 'lucky captain'.
India's bowling has been really good, Ashwin is putting real pressure on Harbhajan, who seems to have forgotten how to turn the ball.
Gotta feel for Vettori, NZ have lost 10 of the last 11 ODI's with one rained out and 9 defeats on the trot.
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Hi Jeet - I have followed a bit of it. I think Gambhir is a class act as a batsman and have been really impressed with his leadership. I wouldn't grumble at Dhoni though - being a lucky captain is the most important thing!
The Sehwag/Gambhir opening partnership is an awsome machine
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Hi Jeet - I have followed a bit of it. I think Gambhir is a class act as a batsman and have been really impressed with his leadership. I wouldn't grumble at Dhoni though - being a lucky captain is the most important thing!
The Sehwag/Gambhir opening partnership is an awsome machine
Buzz - Only shame, in ODI's, is that they can't open together, mind you Mr Tendulkar is fairly decent as well :D
This series has also shown that Yuvraj's bowling, in Indian conditions, means India doesn't require an all rounder. Guys like Jadeja, Yusuf Pathan aren't good enough. I think for the WC it's more than likely India will play 7 batsmen + 4 bowlers. Kohli has all but nailed his spot down, and it would be very harsh if he wasn't selected ahead of Raina, Rohit etc.
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why cant they open together?
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why cant they open together?
Sachin opens with Sehwag.
India like Gambhir at 3, as he can adapt whether he comes in at 200-1 or 0-1. Additionally, Gambhir is good at rotating the strike during the middle overs.
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Match 4 was finally are real contest. NZ racking up 315-7. Guptill and B Mac looked good until they got out. Jimmy Franklin was fantastic, and somewhat curious that he bats so low at 6! 98no off 66 balls was breathtaking.
It was a long time coming but Yusuf Pathan finally came to the party. Firstly taking 3-49 with the ball and then a blistering 123no off 96 balls. Typical Yusuf innings, 7 sixes and 7 fours, but the controlled nature of the innings was a surprise. Totally chanceless innings. Destroyed the spinners, but dominated the quicks as well.
With so many players vying for WC spots, there are going to be a few who miss out.
India seem outright favourites for the WC, as opposing spinners are nullified in Indian conditions.
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according to your rating your so proud off i would have though South Africa are due a bit of fortune at the world cup
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according to your rating your so proud off i would have though South Africa are due a bit of fortune at the world cup
My rating? No mate, South Africa and Sri Lanka up with India. India plays all games at home so their slightly ahead. They won't have to adapt to India, SL and Bangladesh pitches.
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I suspect England will do ok but than again i biased towards them i though India might win the world 20/20 but after the bubble that emanating through team England i think we might be hard to beat
There a few side who could win it i would without doubt put the teams you mentioned there with England
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I suspect England will do ok but than again i biased towards them i though India might win the world 20/20 but after the bubble that emanating through team England i think we might be hard to beat
There a few side who could win it i would without doubt put the teams you mentioned there with England
I think India, SL and SA are the top 3. Eng, Oz(yes their poor atm, but 4 times reigning WC) and Pakistan are slightly behind. Favour in India are mighty at home and likewise SL, could be those two sides who dominate