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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: uknsaunders on November 15, 2010, 11:05:51 PM
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Was wondering how people do their backlift. Do many players swing the bat arc pretty much straight up ie. a wristy lift or do others actual swing the bat back ie. actually move the arms back and forwards. How many people stick the bat between their legs or slightly behind the back foot? Interested to know what everyone does and the benefits/drawbacks.
I was curious as it looks like I'm blocking my back (right) arm when I playing the shot ie. it starts off tucked behind my body when I bring the bat forwards. Less of a problem when I'm slogging as the body opens up but I do get cramped playing legside shots early doors.
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I tend to back lift between straight and off. Causes a few issues with straight shots from time to time.
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my stance is quite open, therefore my backlift isnt particulary straight (points towards 4th slip) never have trouble playing straight/through the offside though. can never hit it off my legs!
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it doesn't really matter how you take you bat back, to gully like Chanderpaul or Goochie style over the top of off stump. What matters is how the bat comes down - i.e. straight.
Ideally you should have a nice diamond shape created by your arms/elbows and the feeling should be akin to "rocking a baby" on the way down.
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i never really thought about my back lift or how it comes down..
im gonna watch the vid of me bating and take a look
awfull technique :(
why do i crouch!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GOf-7TC9OY
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I just try to get a nice high back lift unless the bowler has a slingy action then lower it
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prowannabe seems to have a really high backlift
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAHKlDSS0bk&feature=related
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Have never really thought too much about my backlift before as the bat tends to come down straight. However, I'm doing my Level 2 at the moment, and need to be able to demonstrate the model technique. Has made me realise that I tend to have a very open face in backlift.
In terms of sticking the bat between the legs or behind the back foot, that really is down to whatever feels comfortable. There isn't necessarily a right and wrong. The key is to have the bat in line at the top of the backswing, as then you've got a good chance that it can come down straight. Think Shiv Chanderpaul - all sorts of movement but by the time he gets to the top of his backswing everything is nicely in line and he's pretty orthodox. Or look at Jim Furyk in golf - ugly looking backswing, but just before and just after contact he is technically perfect.
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my backlift
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD-VjvHSApM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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nick your back lift and stance is very very simlimar to mine :)
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we both have problems then!. seriously something isn't right as I don't hit a high percentage of legside balls.
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me to mate!! i am (No Swearing Please) of my legs!
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Lots of people on here seem to struggle off their legs with fuller balls, myself included. I know that my problem is planting my foot too far across, and my front leg as a result gets in the way of the bat when I swing through to leg. Facing 1st XI Uni bowlers yesterday though, my problems were understandable, on more than one occasion I genuinely couldn't even see the ball as I got cleaned up playing across an away swinging yorker...
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Do you find that your legside play improves as your innings extends? I know that I (like many people) have a bad habit of plonking my front foot down early in my innings. Anything legside is then a play around. Once my feet start moving it's a bit easier.
Against our left armers in the nets this was driving me crazy, so I started twisting my stance slightly to legside, and it opened me up wonderfully. It also means that when facing a right armer, the legside is much more open.
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Yeah when the left arm over lad was bowling last night I opened my stance up, and it helped me, but I have a very set-in-stone habit for right armers, which is stupid. I've never really played a long innings, so I wouldn't know. In the end I just opened my stance up, backed away from everything and tried to kill it through the covers. It worked half the time!
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might open my stance up a lot and see if that unblocks my right arm and helps with my legside play.
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you look to allready have a big open stance like i do...
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I have now looked at your vids - Nick - I would close your stance slightly and try to stay a bit stiller, and not go so hard at the ball, let it come to you more.
Simmy - you start very open chested then have a back foot trigger to the leg side which straightens you up, but means your front foot is planted and can't easily move.
In simple terms you should try to stay stiller at the crease and again be more side on. You really need to ditch the trigger as it won't be helping you. If you need a trigger to stop you backing away, try a forward press with your front foot only. Going to take a bit of getting used to.
the most important thing for both of you is to stay stiller at the crease, it will be easier for you to keep your eyes level and to pick the line/length of the ball. Your issues aren't your back lift or "blocked right arms" more that your body position and movement isn't allowing you to play through the leg side.
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cheers for feedback buzz!
got a little net on sunday so will maybe try and work on it alittle bit when testing the new bats!
will try not to trigger and stay tall and still :)
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thanks for the feedback buzz, I thought I was pretty still but it's always worth a second opinion. Main thing I worry about is the head falling over, especially for legside shots.
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Nick,
I not sure if would work for you but helped me I had an open stance that thought I did ok until I went up for a session with David Gurr. First time on bowling machine kept missing balls until they slowed machine right down, coach said get more side on helped lots. Also I have to get backlift up early so i am nice & upright or I tend to fall over. (maybe its because i'm 6ft1)
Looking at the vids is everyone having this open stance( I blame Haynes lol)
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This is from Mr Boycott...
The next question's a technical one. It's from Ranganath Potluri, who has written in from the USA. He is an opener and wants to know: which is the more technically correct way of playing: side-on or open? He plays open and defends the ball with bat in front and body as cover behind the bat. What are the pros and cons of the two techniques, and what would you advise?
GB: First of all, I would always say to somebody: whatever is comfortable or whatever allows you to get runs. Your job as a batsman is to make runs, your job as a bowler is to take wickets. How the hell you do it doesn't matter. But if you have an open stance against right-arm over the wicket bowlers, you'll be in a great position to pull and hook the ball, sweep and play through the on side, because you are already opened up and ready for it. It might be more difficult to score on the off side. You've got to make up your mind on which is best.
As for a side-on stance, nearly all great batsmen, from time immemorial, have been side-on players. Whether it's been Don Bradman in Australia; Jack Hobbs, Wally Hammond and Len Hutton in England; Sachin Tendulkar in India; Jacques Kallis among the current players; Sunil Gavaskar in the past; George Headley, Brian Lara and Viv Richards. It is important when left-arm bowlers bowl over the wicket, that you do open up a little bit. Perhaps get further across your stumps, because the ball is going across you and it's a very awkward angle. So you play a little further over your stumps to play the ball back from whence it came.
For left-handed batsmen it is different. Around 80-90% of the bowlers bowl over the wicket, so the ball is always going across you. It's a little like a right-handed batsman facing a left-arm seamer - it's going across you at an angle. I'm telling you as a right-hand batsman to open up a bit more chest-on so that you can face the bowlers a bit more with your shoulders and body. For left-handers it is very important to open up a little bit, because while facing right-arm bowlers it's coming at a similar angle. The great batsmen have always been side-on but you have to find whatever gets you runs.
I think the indication from what the Yorkshire Ripper said is that trying to stay side on is preferable as it allows you to play all around the park - if it is good enough for the greats and all that...
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it doesn't really matter how you take you bat back, to gully like Chanderpaul or Goochie style over the top of off stump. What matters is how the bat comes down - i.e. straight.
Ideally you should have a nice diamond shape created by your arms/elbows and the feeling should be akin to "rocking a baby" on the way down.
also called the figure of nine from the side