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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: yvk3103 on January 09, 2011, 05:30:37 PM
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What is the difference between a bat that is made for a professional player by you and a bat made for a customer paying £180-£240 for a custom made bat?
Please allow the Podshavers on this forum to reply, before we all start giving our opinions. Thank you.
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Density- a 'pro' bat will be made from lower density willow, it will be better performing but last less time. A professional won't mind spending lots on bats for the season (if he does decide to use another batmaker to his sponsor) as it's his most important bit of kit. A 'normal' club player wants a bit more life out of his bat, quite rightly, so doesn't want to spend £250 on a bat for it to last a third of a season.
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but a club cricketer would not never end up playing or practicing as much as a pro, so effectively the Pro bat could last a couple of seasons IMO.
So why not offer a Pro bat to a normal customer when charging the top price (probably even higher than those charged to a Pro) - top performance for a couple of years.... I a sure not many will turn these bats down....
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Not a batmaker
Can i ask one if the density is low then what the difference in terms of a Low density cleft and one that has either been extra dryed (laver do one) or say sticking it in a airing cupboard for 6 weeks...
1..The desired weight possibly the same and durability would drying it artificially make any difference to performance ????
2..Is lower density clefts not a impact to performance more to the point pick up or are we talking about maximum wood for the lowest weight?????
3..Are lower density clefts better preforming than a normal cleft????? apart form pick up
over to you MR SAF
Sorry question 2 and 3 are interlinked
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This would be the bat of my choice.... I'd much rather a bat that goes like a rocket for one season than a decent/average bat that lasts for years...
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Not a batmaker
Can i ask one if the density is low then what the difference in terms of a Low density cleft and one that has either been extra dryed (laver do one) or say sticking it in a airing cupboard for 6 weeks...
1..The desired weight possibly the same and durability would drying it artificially make any difference to performance ????
2..Is lower density clefts not a impact to performance more to the point pick up or are we talking about maximum wood for the lowest weight?????
3..Are lower density clefts better preforming than a normal cleft????? apart form pick up
over to you MR SAF
These are the questions I've asked before in a round about way and never been satisfied with the outcome so great questions Dave
Can't wait to hear the answers from SAF.....
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I have had a bat in the airing cupboard for 4 weeks at the minute and if it works i could buy another 3lb and just make it a 2lb 10oz
maybe this sounds all mad but is suspect would a company come out and openly admit this........
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Will that not just dry the willow out? Also at a guess I'd say your now lighter bat will not be as responsive as your hitting an object with a lesser weight but then again my names not Norbs and I'm merely hazarding a guess
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Yes it just a experiment i no brain scientist and do not rely understand about density and weight relatives
Andy or Matt
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naturally low density clefts (true 'pro clefts') are very light, but have the same moisture content as a normal cleft. over drying would make a very light cleft, but would have a lower moisture content. naturally low density clefts are very rare, hence why there aren't many about. I used one last season, I play a fair bit, but it lasted me half the season, went like a rocket though. It was ok for me as I have my own willow etc etc, but I would have sold that bat for about £300- there aren't many people out there that would spend that on a bat that lasts a few months.
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My question to you then is why is one of the most famous pod shaver doubting this claim by offering a 2nd drying process to help with pick up and performace????
Please i do not know i trying to find out
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Charlie, most top end bats now sell for £300 or more....so there will be buyers...
GN Legend is £300+ and is sold out to the extent that GN cannot deliver to any retailer before April.....
Every brand now has a £300 or more bat in their range, so why can they not provide a Pro bat or a bat made from low density willow?
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Ermm... because there aren't enough clefts?
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If a customer was 2 ask for a 'pro' bat would you supply one?
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I do not think there a such thing as pro bat per say that my opinion Canners your pm was spot on we think about it too much
were the real batmakers when you need it this is more like the forum talking about real thing :o
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If a customer was 2 ask for a 'pro' bat would you supply one?
yes, if there was a suitable cleft around. the argument for not officially selling them is so someone doesn't buy one and you find you can't service the order.
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All the blackcat bats I've seen look big for the weight so on those grounds wouldn't u say most/all your bats are fit for a pro?
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naturally low density clefts (true 'pro clefts') are very light, but have the same moisture content as a normal cleft. over drying would make a very light cleft, but would have a lower moisture content. naturally low density clefts are very rare, hence why there aren't many about. I used one last season, I play a fair bit, but it lasted me half the season, went like a rocket though. It was ok for me as I have my own willow etc etc, but I would have sold that bat for about £300- there aren't many people out there that would spend that on a bat that lasts a few months.
Now we're getting somewhere. Does anyone know about the exact science that can allow a piece of wood with the same moisture content to weigh less than an identical sized piece of the same species?
Yes, that is a weighted question. Anyone brave enough?
Jon (Tree surgeon)
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WERE IS NORBS
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All the blackcat bats I've seen look big for the weight so on those grounds wouldn't u say most/all your bats are fit for a pro?
I have sold stock bats to professional players yes. If you show almost any modern bat to someone who was playing 50 odd years ago, they've never seen a bat so big, even in the hands of a pro.
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We have a guy at our club who would always say 'too much wood in that, no need'
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If pros bats only last say half a season, or even a season at tops, how come tendulkars bat has lasted so long?
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If pros bats only last say half a season, or even a season at tops, how come tendulkars bat has lasted so long?
It is a generalisation we are guilty of. Being 'pro' quality doesn't guarantee a short life but it does reduce the chances of longevity.
As has been said, the likelyhood is a pro will use his bat far more during the season than you or I, so I'm not sure it is as clear cut as some would have us believe.
At the end of the day a batmaker doesn't want his bats returned because they break quickly.
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If pros bats only last say half a season, or even a season at tops, how come tendulkars bat has lasted so long?
cos its been patched up more time than winnie the poos picknick blanket
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I have sold stock bats to professional players yes. If you show almost any modern bat to someone who was playing 50 odd years ago, they've never seen a bat so big, even in the hands of a pro.
Who did you sell to Charlie?