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Title: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: petehosk on January 15, 2011, 08:21:01 PM
Hi all - there has been lots written about the weights of Solitaire bats on this forum.
There has been nothing directed against the quality of the bats...but more against the weights of the bats.

So I was thinking that we really need to ensure that we are being fair here.
Therefore anyone with a Solitaire, please specify what weight of solitaire you have?
And then in brackets put the weight you ordered!!

For example, if yuou ordered 2'10 and received a 2'13, then you would put

2'13 (2'10)

So I will start as I got mine from another forum member and therefore mine was:

2'12 (-) I pruchased it knowing what the weight was!
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: johnnyw on January 15, 2011, 08:22:31 PM
2`11.5 (2`8)
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: roco on January 15, 2011, 08:22:44 PM
I had one

ordered 2lb12 low middle

Got 2lb12 low middle
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: jonpinson on January 15, 2011, 08:23:10 PM
I will add to this that I will happily pop along and see what I can find out as it is very local to me if people want to know.
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: Simmy on January 15, 2011, 08:25:44 PM
2.12(2.8 )

and i wasnt bothered cos it was a MONSTER!
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: johan95 on January 15, 2011, 08:27:48 PM
Well rounding up johnny's all of them are 2.12 so far...though I think you may well be right. I wonder the reason for the high occurences of Solitaires in 2.12...is it to do with the profile and not being to replicate in lower weights.? Might be one to rephrase and ask Roger if you do go down, Jon..
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: johnnyw on January 15, 2011, 08:28:54 PM
My story with solitaire is that I ordered a 2`8 in the beginning of April last year. Firstly it took about 10 days for him to reply to each email.

My bat arrived in the middle of june and weighed 2`11.5 with a single chevron grip. I was annoyed with it but I said I would keep it as I was in the need of a bat at a time and didnt want to wait 2 months to send it back to him and get another one.

It worked out well in the end because it is a great bat and the extra weight doesnt bother me
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: Washington on January 15, 2011, 08:31:06 PM
2.11lb (2.10lb) great bat
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: niceonechoppy on January 15, 2011, 08:36:19 PM
2.12 (2.8 )
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: johan95 on January 15, 2011, 08:48:08 PM
Lol how come Sam edited the last one haha. I see where you're coming from with your story Johnny, I take it you've moved up to that weight comfortably now anyway?
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: lexx on January 15, 2011, 09:32:08 PM
2'12(2'10) Great bat,slightly heavy on the pick up.Middle top notch.
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: Howzat on January 15, 2011, 09:40:14 PM
Lol how come Sam edited the last one haha. I see where you're coming from with your story Johnny, I take it you've moved up to that weight comfortably now anyway?
He edited it and I edited Simmys as if you put an 8 and a ) next to each other the "Cool Face" smiley appears!
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: johan95 on January 15, 2011, 09:42:44 PM
Oh yeah, didn't spot your edit...haha seen that quite a lot, like on the Bat Porn thread...! Fair enough, good work gents! :)
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: Colesy on January 15, 2011, 10:32:22 PM
Has anyone actually said to Roger that 'their bat was heavier than demanded, what is the reasoning?'
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: mattw on January 18, 2011, 01:32:54 AM
2'12 1/2 (2'11)


However today I did get a bit of weight taken off the bat by Roger and now it's pretty much exactly 2'11. They were completely fine with a weight reduction and I think it may have been free for the solitaire bat to have some weight taken off.

I shall write a review on it tomorrow with pictures.
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: SkipperJ on January 18, 2011, 05:32:04 PM
Hi all - there has been lots written about the weights of Solitaire bats on this forum.
There has been nothing directed against the quality of the bats...but more against the weights of the bats.

So I was thinking that we really need to ensure that we are being fair here.
Therefore anyone with a Solitaire, please specify what weight of solitaire you have?
And then in brackets put the weight you ordered!!
...
Shouldn't this discussion include pickup as well?
For example, if you ordered a 2'10 bat, but got a 2'12 that picks up like a 2'10, does it really matter?
Personally I would be happy to get a heavier bat with the pickup I'm used to, because it means more meat behind the bat. Understand that others might disagree...
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: alexrickyponting on January 18, 2011, 06:00:09 PM
I think it would still matter for some people, a 2.12 that picks up 2.8 still weighs 2.12, if someone wanted a 2.8 as that is the heaviest they could use without undue fatigue over an innings then a 2.12 would be no good whatever the pickup. It depends on the individual i suppose
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: mattw on January 18, 2011, 06:03:18 PM
possibly.

I've had bats around 2'9-2'10 most of the time and I haven't had a problem with a net session before, however with my 2'12+ solitaire, it did feel as though it picked up more like a 2'10-2'11 bat but after a 30ish minute net session I could tell that the bat was slightly too heavy for me over a prolonged time as the bat felt heavy in my hands towards the end of that session. So I wouldn't say that pick-up is everything, I would class that as a bonus if it feels lighter than what the bat actually weighs.
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: Colesy on January 18, 2011, 06:30:55 PM
Cross batted shot is where pick-up means nothing.
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: SkipperJ on January 18, 2011, 07:05:57 PM
Really?

The physics are unchanged for straight and cross batted shots (hands remain at the same position relative to the bat) ...
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: jimba101 on January 18, 2011, 07:08:17 PM
Cross batted shot is where pick-up means nothing.

I can always tell if a bat is too heavy when i'm pinned to the back wall of the net ;)
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: steelcouch on January 18, 2011, 07:25:07 PM
Cross batted shots will use different and weaker muscle groups
any activity done away from the core tends to feel
harder
martin crowe one of the best batsmen in the nineties comonally accepted as when cricket was harder than now
suggests that you need to play a cross batted shot with the top hand only six times without any fatigue as a test of the weight of your bat ie feel trierd it is too heavy

he see a 2 lb 7
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: Simmy on January 18, 2011, 07:33:54 PM
Shouldn't this discussion include pickup as well?
For example, if you ordered a 2'10 bat, but got a 2'12 that picks up like a 2'10, does it really matter?
Personally I would be happy to get a heavier bat with the pickup I'm used to, because it means more meat behind the bat. Understand that others might disagree...

if thats the case my solitaire is 2.12 and it picks up like its a 2.15 SLEDGE HAMMER
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: tim2000s on January 19, 2011, 12:04:18 AM
Really?

The physics are unchanged for straight and cross batted shots (hands remain at the same position relative to the bat) ...
The hands remain in the same position but the weight acts very differently, requiring the biology to work in a different way. Holding a bat vertically which is therefore not pivoting about your wrist requires much less muscle use than horizontally, where it is!
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: uknsaunders on January 19, 2011, 12:08:41 AM
hence why high middles are preferred by players who play back foot / cross bat shots. Centre of gravity on the bat is higher putting less stress on the wrist areas.
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: tim2000s on January 19, 2011, 12:09:47 AM
hence why high middles are preferred by players who play back foot / cross bat shot. Centre of gravity on the bat is higher putting less stress on the wrist areas.
Yes, and allowing faster bat velocity, but I won't go into that again.
Title: Re: Solitaire - the heavy facts
Post by: SkipperJ on January 19, 2011, 04:53:51 AM
hence why high middles are preferred by players who play back foot / cross bat shots. Centre of gravity on the bat is higher putting less stress on the wrist areas.

True dat, but I think the higher middle helps since the ball hits the bat higher when playing back / across