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Panel Question Number 2.
« on: December 09, 2008, 12:00:44 PM »

Do you believe that 'unofficial' umpires standing in junior matches should have at least the basic umpire's qualification as a minimum?
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Re: Panel Question Number 2.
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2008, 04:41:03 PM »

yes
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Re: Panel Question Number 2.
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2008, 05:07:17 PM »

No

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In An Ideal World They Would
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Re: Panel Question Number 2.
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2008, 06:45:10 PM »

No - Lets be honest its impracticle for them to drop their work/family comitments just to go and learn to umpire for their sons team!
Our coach is qualified so we are lucky but the other umpire is usually not so he just does square leg. Even when two not qualified umpires are there we still have a great game. If umpires were forced to have this award then it would result in a lot of junior matches being cancelled or not played in the first place!
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Re: Panel Question Number 2.
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2008, 06:49:45 PM »

yeah but imo if someones likely to be umpiring then they should have a basic award, wouldnt take too long to do
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Re: Panel Question Number 2.
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2008, 06:54:41 PM »

Found this...

"The two day course will take place over the weekend of  February 14/15  from 09.30 - 17.15 on each day with the examination on an evening within two weeks of the course.

The course will cost £25."

During these times its a bit silly to pay £25 to get an 'award' which you dont even need?
And what kind of person has a whole weekend free just for umpiring? Most of the umpires we have just have time to get to the ground after work. I doubt they can spend a whole weekend doing this course, when they may need to go to work and spend time with their family?!
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Re: Panel Question Number 2.
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2008, 07:00:51 PM »

leo i take it your club is different from ours, nearly everyone is going to be doing a level 2 course and are arranging it around there other commitments, thats for coaching but same thing
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Re: Panel Question Number 2.
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2008, 07:07:25 PM »

I think no as most of the managers who umpire in our league have a good understanding of cricket and the right decisions are usually made.
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Re: Panel Question Number 2.
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2008, 08:48:10 PM »

No, however what would be nice would be to see a dedicated training night at each club once a season. Just to explain rules and brush up on their umpiring. Perhaps you umpires could travel around and give some talks during these evenings to.
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Re: Panel Question Number 2.
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2008, 09:43:43 PM »

Tom,

In Australia a dedicated training night run by a qualified umpire trainer would include the basic qualification. Surely, given the amount of time, money and effort parents put into their children's cricket, that they could afford a little time to learn and understand the basic rules so the level of competency would increase.

In reply to Tom, we umpires do travle around to give talks but it is a question of whether we are wanted or not. And frankly a number of clubs and coaches are openly hostile to umpires. This is not an idle statement. Yesterday at tea during a senior international school cricket carnival I had to talk privately with the coach of a leading school. Three times he contradicted openly in front of both teams the umpires and misled them on a fourth occasion. I won't discuss the first, the second was when he told helpers not to secure the covers during a rain break because he didn't think it was necessary.  The covers were secured by helpers after he was told nicely to follow instructions (and thankfully so because of wind gusts). Later during play he bellowed out across the spectators and players that the umpires had the over count wrong. He obviously was unable to comprehend how to count and which end is odd or even in the count. After the match I sought to speak to him about the suspect action of a slow bowler. he dismissed the request by advising 'he has been checked out" and walked off. The bowler's father heard the comment and approached me to discuss the matter because he believes one of his deliveries is suspect. Remedy is that the bowler is off the proper coaching. He has talent.

The previous week the coach of one regional team was openly hostile to umpires before play. During the match that I umpired with a Brisbane first grade umpire 'his' team were an undisciplined shambles. In the first 6 overs they committed every known team rule transgression that culminated in the mother of all send offs. The result was a team dressing down by both umpires, the first either of us has ever had to do in our combined careers.

It takes just one club and / or one coach to set the worst possible example in all levels of cricket and from experience it is usually the club or coach who will work against the officials that will cause a ripple effect of problems.

If as an unofficial umpire you are taught the Laws and rules and you continue to make mistakes you are either incompetent or biased and as such should be weeded out of the process. If you don't want to learn properly you should not be in the process. And there is just the chance that when you learn the laws and start umpiring you might thoroughly enjoy umpiring and join the senior ranks to help with growing the ranks.
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Re: Panel Question Number 2.
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2008, 10:57:40 PM »

Yep
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