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Re: South Africa v Pakistan
« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2013, 05:22:02 PM »

After watching this several times, there are 2 questions I would ask.....

1. Would he have been out if he had of kept his running line?
2. Did he alter his running line in order to block the ball?

1. Yes
2. Yes
He would have been a couple of meters short if the ball had of gone through as thown...assuming it would have been caught by Amla.
And he did alter his line by quite a bit. Whether he did it on purpose, or whether it was due to him running off balance due to looking over his shoulder, we'll never know for sure! But he did alter his line and that change in running meant that he blocked that ball and wasn't run out! Therefore in my book, that really has to be given out.
I think that blame should lie with whoever called for the second run!! It was too tight and he was left stranded!
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Re: South Africa v Pakistan
« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2013, 05:30:36 PM »

I think it should be not out. The keeper just throws the ball straight at the batsman, he could easily have stepped accross and thrown the stumps down.

This is just AB being crafty... and who can blame him, he has been give out like this previously. Anyway justice was done as Pakistan won the game.
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Re: South Africa v Pakistan
« Reply #47 on: March 21, 2013, 05:51:51 PM »

I think it should be not out. The keeper just throws the ball straight at the batsman, he could easily have stepped accross and thrown the stumps down.

This is just AB being crafty... and who can blame him, he has been give out like this previously. Anyway justice was done as Pakistan won the game.

Surely to step around the stumps could be the time difference between in and out? Every fraction of a second counts.

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Re: South Africa v Pakistan
« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2013, 06:01:42 PM »

it is more that in my view AB just throws the ball at the batsman and appeals.

Now I am not being holier than thou - I would have done the same thing as both the batsman and the keeper in this case. I just don't think the batsman should have been given out. I think that the keeper wouldn't have had to step around the stumps, just half a pace and throw. The batter would have been miles out.
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Re: South Africa v Pakistan
« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2013, 08:17:30 PM »

it is more that in my view AB just throws the ball at the batsman and appeals.

Now I am not being holier than thou - I would have done the same thing as both the batsman and the keeper in this case. I just don't think the batsman should have been given out. I think that the keeper wouldn't have had to step around the stumps, just half a pace and throw. The batter would have been miles out.

100% agree, AB de Villiers defiantly being crafty as the commentators said he was run out like this in a domestic game.
Inzamam's dismissal for obstructing the field was different from Hafeez, Inzi blocked the ball with his bat when Raina threw the ball at the wicket.
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Re: South Africa v Pakistan
« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2013, 08:22:04 PM »

100% agree, AB de Villiers defiantly being crafty as the commentators said he was run out like this in a domestic game.
Inzamam's dismissal for obstructing the field was different from Hafeez, Inzi blocked the ball with his bat when Raina threw the ball at the wicket.

First week the law was changed and he was out.

So is the general consensus that this was a 1 off from DV, or will it be the latest political aspect in game play?

DRS being a recent one

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Re: South Africa v Pakistan
« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2013, 09:09:41 PM »

Personally think it's a shocking rule, so many reasons why you would change your line that you are running:
1) When you turn and look behind you (as Hafeez did), due to the fact you're looking the other way you are almost inevitably going to change your line.
2) Getting off the protected area.
3) Finding the most direct line to the other end.
4) Cause you've got no coordination when it comes to running in pads (guilty!)
5) You get the point.

How do you objectively measure it? Different with LBWs and referrals because you still have to be hitting the 3 stumps... I just think it's a poor law, and don't think it is enforceable without having massively controversial decisions like today. I understand that cricket is changing and adapting, evolving, yet I think this is a step backwards.

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Re: South Africa v Pakistan
« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2013, 09:13:44 PM »

I think it should be not out. The keeper just throws the ball straight at the batsman, he could easily have stepped accross and thrown the stumps down.

This is just AB being crafty... and who can blame him, he has been give out like this previously. Anyway justice was done as Pakistan won the game.

I cant see AB doing that, not in that instance, all he would be thinking is throwing it to Amla at non-strikers end
Why risk him not being given out if the umpires felt Hafeez did nothing wrong
Didnt Hafeez turn around and look at AB? and therefore alter his path, he doesnt run in a straight line, which we all know is the quickest way to get to the other end

I dont think it is that controversial, it looks like he's purposely stopped the ball from reaching the other end
Would it be acceptable for a fielder to interfere with his running? No
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Re: South Africa v Pakistan
« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2013, 09:25:27 PM »



1) When you turn and look behind you (as Hafeez did), due to the fact you're looking the other way you are almost inevitably going to change your line.

Once you've set off, surely you get your head down and sprint, if unsure dive. Why look behind and slow yourself down?

2) Getting off the protected area.

Unless you've been warned, risk it. The throw must be coming from an acute angle
If you're hit whilst running away from the protected area.

3) Finding the most direct line to the other end.

This is straight forward. Literally.

4) Cause you've got no coordination when it comes to running in pads (guilty!)

That's bad luck, maybe do some sprints in pads whilst training.

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Re: South Africa v Pakistan
« Reply #54 on: March 22, 2013, 07:06:32 AM »

great partnership between Misbah and Imran, they were in huge trouble at 33/3 just a shame neither scored a ton.
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Re: South Africa v Pakistan
« Reply #55 on: March 22, 2013, 07:10:13 AM »

Has ab forgotten what's on the end of his arms?
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Re: South Africa v Pakistan
« Reply #56 on: March 30, 2013, 05:51:07 AM »

the Inzamam dismissal was actually that took place before Inzamam was all confused by the law and that was not entirely his mistake. He was over a hundred in Faisalabad when Steve Harmison threw the ball at the stump while Inzamam was in the crease. taking evasive action, Inzamam jumped and was given out run out even though the law says otherwise. the umpires at that occasion were Simon Taufel and Darrell Hair (oh boy).

the next time he saw the ball coming his way, he thought what the heck, just save your body only to be given out by Taufel again. its a glitch in the rule since there was no chance of a run out and common sense should have prevailed. the new rule is not a good one as it will lead too a lot of confusion.     
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