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trypewriter

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Re: MCC to investigate edge sizes
« Reply #60 on: March 13, 2013, 12:24:25 PM »


Pro Cricketers employ far more practice, sports science and strength improvement and have thus enabled themselves to hit the ball harder and with better timing than ever before, whilst using the same tools as the amateur player...

Not cricket, but similar perhaps - when the Beatles had a residency at the Star Club, Hamburg, they were not even rated as the best band in Liverpool. However, playing for a minimum 8 hours per day, day in, day out, didn't half hone their technique.
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Re: MCC to investigate edge sizes
« Reply #61 on: March 13, 2013, 12:30:18 PM »

Can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear though either....
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Re: MCC to investigate edge sizes
« Reply #62 on: March 13, 2013, 09:05:25 PM »

I started in the early/mid 80's.

Bats where thinner, much thinner, and a lot harder pressed. Even going to Warsop and having them custom made back then you got less wood (read that how you wish!).

Hitting a six was rarer then, but we where coached very differently. Proper cricket (as GB would say).

I'm the same era. I think as much as anything else it's attitude towards batting that's changed. Batsmen are more aggressive and try hit boundaries and 6's more often. There was a time when a batting team would all but give up chasing 6 or 7 per over.

I think sometimes we can forget just how good the professional guys are at hitting a ball. This is what they do day in day out.

You wouldn't expect a hack golfer to smash his 7 iron 200 yards round a dogleg and land it dead 3 feet from the pin so why expect a league cricketer to be able to do what the international boys can do. The truth is no matter what bat they have in their hand the chances are they will hot the ball further.

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Re: MCC to investigate edge sizes
« Reply #63 on: March 13, 2013, 09:18:11 PM »

Golf isnt a great example. My old man is nearly 70 and thanks to his modern alloy composite thingy driver he can not only hit it further than before (he was boasting this fact the other day strangely enough) but also straighter. Some clubs have actually been banned from the pro circuit if memory serves me right.
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Re: MCC to investigate edge sizes
« Reply #64 on: July 20, 2013, 10:01:55 PM »

An update on this:

"Balance between the bat and ball

The committee heard presentations from Jeremy Ruggles of JS Wright (Willow producers) and Andrew Kember, the master craftsman at Salix, concerning the process of making cricket bats.  This initiated a discussion on the balance of the game between bat and ball, the increase in six-hitting in the game and the weight, width and pressing techniques associated with modern bats. 

One suggestion was that there should be a restriction on the size of a cleft used in a bat, thus limiting its overall depth and therefore its power.  Manufacturers would be free to develop their skills in distributing weight and balance in bats as they see fit, albeit within a tighter framework.

Opinions varied on this matter, from members who thought that increased six-hitting was entertaining for the game, to those who see bowlers getting an increasingly raw deal with ‘mis-hit’ sixes, whilst others highlighted the increase in the percentage of Test matches ending in results as evidence that bowlers are indeed able to take wickets.

It was also noted that better pitches, shorter boundaries and stronger players, allied to the rise of T20, have had an impact on batting styles.

With no consensus, MCC has decided to undertake more research in this area, consult a range of bat manufacturers, and conduct laboratory testing to determine the power of modern bats of varying shapes and weights."
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Re: MCC to investigate edge sizes
« Reply #65 on: July 20, 2013, 11:20:55 PM »

Will be interesting to see which bat makers they chat too. AC at salix is a good start as they are not just looking to GN, GM kook, etc as the 'main' boys.

Would be great if the likes of those guys we have on here were consulted as well.
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Re: MCC to investigate edge sizes
« Reply #66 on: July 20, 2013, 11:26:07 PM »

Maybe get rid of the ropes and get groundsman to prepare wickets with a bit of life in them.
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Re: MCC to investigate edge sizes
« Reply #67 on: July 21, 2013, 09:18:47 AM »

Maybe get rid of the ropes and get groundsman to prepare wickets with a bit of life in them.

This!

One of the things that annoys me most about cricket is a ground that is only being half used.  Yes, you have a valid argument for having a rope maybe three feet in from the advertising hoardings to allo for some safety when sliding around, but so often now you see already small or smallish grounds reduced by a further 10 yards on all sides.  Joe Root's six at Lords yesterday was a classic example - it cleared the rop but was, what, eight yards shy of the actual edge of the playing area...

The other thing is also valid - Id like to see a move toward faster pitches.  Too many turgid, boring ones nowadays!
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Re: MCC to investigate edge sizes
« Reply #68 on: July 21, 2013, 10:04:22 AM »

Maybe get rid of the ropes and get groundsman to prepare wickets with a bit of life in them.

I think this get's missed in all the arguments - boundaries are not as far as they were.  Yes there are 6's being hit into the stands but anyone who watches some of the classic replays on TV will see that 6's were hit into the stands in days gone by with the supposedly worse bats and before the current strength & conditioning training, improvements in diet etc. became the norm.

I've hit less 6's in the recent years despite using a 'bigger' bat, my biggest 6's were hit with a pretty thin edged Slazenger v500 and a fairly thin edged GM GMax, but I am more consistent with my 'modern' bats.

Technology and fitness improvements are seen in most other sports so why not cricket?
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Re: MCC to investigate edge sizes
« Reply #69 on: July 21, 2013, 10:27:09 AM »

This is true - when I was young, I hit loads of sixes on big northern grounds - then I got older and fatter and it stopped happening.  And then I went back in the gym and, lo and behold, turns out I can still hit them after all!
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Re: MCC to investigate edge sizes
« Reply #70 on: July 21, 2013, 10:28:52 AM »

I cleared a ground and the house next to the boundary with a bat that's a 12mm edge

It does have a 73mm spine though!!!

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Re: MCC to investigate edge sizes
« Reply #71 on: July 22, 2013, 07:56:16 PM »

dont know how they could inforce this as no 2 peices of wood are ever the same!
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Re: MCC to investigate edge sizes
« Reply #72 on: July 22, 2013, 08:04:28 PM »

pissing in the wind two ways of skining a rabbit other ways of makeing big bats its been done before just mcc useing there weight  ;)
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Re: MCC to investigate edge sizes
« Reply #73 on: July 23, 2013, 05:40:07 AM »

I'm not really sure what this investigation is trying to achieve. ODI and T20 are batsmen's games and always have been. Crowds go to these game to see the big hits.

In terms of test cricket, we've had far less draws in recent years compared to the 80's and 90's. This would suggest that more wickets are actually being taken. And if that's the case then where is the problem? Do they want to see more matches petering out into draws?
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Re: MCC to investigate edge sizes
« Reply #74 on: July 23, 2013, 06:51:15 AM »

If they want to limit anything, just limit the weight. 3lb (naked) is more than enough for most batsmen.

The best bat in our club is a 1970's GN that has been handed down to the grandson, it's got a middle the size of the moon.
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