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Fixing is rife in global cricket - Lou Vincent
« on: May 16, 2014, 06:39:46 AM »

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Re: Fixing is rife in global cricket - Lou Vincent
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2014, 07:09:00 AM »

There is another story in the Telegraph today, an interview with Mal Loye about when Lou Vincent approached him while at Lancashire to spot fix while opening the batting
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Re: Fixing is rife in global cricket - Lou Vincent
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2014, 07:12:03 AM »

Here's the link http://fw.to/mVbrD2J
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Re: Fixing is rife in global cricket - Lou Vincent
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2014, 07:36:47 AM »

We paid tens of thousands to Lou to endorse our gear on the pitch. Feel very much cheated that throughout that period he wasn't even aiming to score runs.

I do count him as a friend, helped him launch his whereislou stuff and to a degree I feel sorry for him. Obviously has his issues. But cricket needs to be cleaned up.
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Re: Fixing is rife in global cricket - Lou Vincent
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2014, 08:12:12 AM »

Agree on all points. Doesn't help the overall corruption in cricket when someone of the magnitude of MS Dhoni makes a joke of it pre IPL.

i believe the well-worn quote goes "all it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing"
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Re: Fixing is rife in global cricket - Lou Vincent
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2014, 08:14:16 AM »

Tom - I think you are justified to feel ripped off - it would be interesting to see if you can find ways to re-coup your cash.

Edit - we should also note that the only reason Lou Vincent is spilling the beans is to try and avoid a custodial sentence. He didn't volunteer the information, he got caught.


Here is another view from Athers in the Times

The news that Lou Vincent, the former New Zealand batsman, is helping the ICC with its inquiries, to the extent that his information forms the basis of a full and continuing investigation by the ICC Anti-Corruption Security Unit, will be taken by some as further evidence that the game is completely corrupt. They are wrong.

Although Vincent’s information will spell out the dangers, repeatedly outlined here, of the interconnectedness of cricket now, as players move from team to team, and country to country, it should not be taken as evidence of how corrupt the game the game is, rather how relatively clean. Cricket should really breathe a huge sigh of relief.

It depends on your starting point. There has been so much whisper and innuendo, in the distant past and more recently, about fixing, that most people, I assume, think that betting and corruption has infiltrated all areas of the game. But despite the fact that Vincent played in hundreds of senior matches (23 Tests, 98 first-class games, 102 one-day internationals, 220 List A matches and 120 Twenty20 games, including nine internationals) and played with hundreds of players, of varying degrees of fame, he alleges that only a handful of players and matches were affected.

As has been reported, a number of matches are under suspicion in the Indian Cricket League in 2008 as well as three one-day matches in county cricket, one in 2008 and two in 2011; a handful of matches in the Champions League in 2011 and 2012 involving, as confirmed yesterday by New Zealand Cricket, the Auckland Aces. Not a single international match, though, is under suspicion and, with the exception of the county games, not one match involving teams that supporters have invested any emotional interest in.

Vincent has not been a bystander to the international game; he has been in and around it for a considerable period of time. Lord Condon warned that fixing and Twenty20 is a dangerous combination, as is the combination between fixing and low-profile televised, domestic matches, and, most critically, the link between fixing and competitions where the commercial imperative is to the fore. But, taken as a whole, cricket should really be relieved that the detail provided by Vincent is so limited in scope.

As the investigation is continuing, the three other international players who are known to have been contacted by the ACSU will be sleeping uneasily. Those others who turned down Vincent’s approaches will be thankful that their initial unease, good sense or consciences saved the day. Further action is likely to follow, as the Metropolitan police and ACSU close in.

For all the limited past success of the ACSU, its role is critical, both in its ability to operate without interference and in the way it is resourced, so that it can function effectively and act as a deterrent.

The ICC now is a moribund body, powerless and ineffectual, given the way that India, England and Australia are able to shape cricket to their will, and recent reports suggest that the role of the ACSU may be changed, reducing its independence. This would be a mistake.

Above all, players must be aware that there is a body that is independent, well resourced, free from political interference, that is able to police the game, even if its powers remain limited. Its presence alone is critical. The present investigation is a public reminder to players that wrongdoing may be prosecuted — now, or as in this case, years down the line. Vincent’s information raises other questions, of course, which may be answered in time. How widespread was the knowledge of these fixes? How many players did not report approaches? Did administrators know of this as criminal cases involving fixing in the Indian Cricket League were going on? Was information deliberately suppressed?

The real story for cricket, though, is that an international player, involved in the game for many years, has come forward and, as a result, only a tiny number of players and matches are under suspicion.
« Last Edit: May 16, 2014, 08:28:53 AM by Buzz »
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Re: Fixing is rife in global cricket - Lou Vincent
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2014, 08:20:45 AM »

he really is a top bloke

Yeah 'Top Bloke' who is open to cheat and scam.. Just the sort of person we should all aspire to be :(

I can't say I'm surprised though tbh, I'd imagine if we knew half the truth about sport we'd find it's riddled with this sort of thing sadly :(
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Re: Fixing is rife in global cricket - Lou Vincent
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2014, 08:22:21 AM »

We paid tens of thousands to Lou to endorse our gear on the pitch. Feel very much cheated that throughout that period he wasn't even aiming to score runs.

I do count him as a friend, helped him launch his whereislou stuff and to a degree I feel sorry for him. Obviously has his issues. But cricket needs to be cleaned up.

Maybe companies should start including some clauses about players/their agents being found to be cheats then they should pay the lot back etc.. May at least help to punish them financially in the end which, if we are honest, is the only thing that will hurt people now.
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Re: Fixing is rife in global cricket - Lou Vincent
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2014, 08:27:09 AM »

Bugger! Huge fan of Lou Vincent after his WhereisLou tour and he was the resident pro at two of the cricket camps I've run for Activate Sport. Really gutted to hear this!
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Re: Fixing is rife in global cricket - Lou Vincent
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2014, 01:33:34 PM »

So no one's read 'Bookie Gambler Fixer Spy' then? Because if you have, none of this "match fixing is rife" stuff will come as a shock. If you haven't, I highly recommend the read.
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Re: Fixing is rife in global cricket - Lou Vincent
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2014, 02:01:14 PM »

Maybe companies should start including some clauses about players/their agents being found to be cheats then they should pay the lot back etc.. May at least help to punish them financially in the end which, if we are honest, is the only thing that will hurt people now.
Our contracts had termination clauses in, in which players wouldn't be paid if they were involved in corruption. Problem is, it comes out 4 years later. And the company he signed the contract with, is no more.

Leaves a bitter taste as you pay these guys, and know that 1 big innings from them can transform your brand. I know it's unlikely, but had Lou used an MMi3 (he didn't use it, as he felt he was 'too out of form') and gone on to be a highest run scorer in the CL, then it could have been quite different for Mongoose. But we were never even given a chance.
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Re: Fixing is rife in global cricket - Lou Vincent
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2014, 02:05:36 PM »

Our contracts had termination clauses in, in which players wouldn't be paid if they were involved in corruption. Problem is, it comes out 4 years later. And the company he signed the contract with, is no more.

Leaves a bitter taste as you pay these guys, and know that 1 big innings from them can transform your brand. I know it's unlikely, but had Lou used an MMi3 (he didn't use it, as he felt he was 'too out of form') and gone on to be a highest run scorer in the CL, then it could have been quite different for Mongoose. But we were never even given a chance.

It is the fans and brands like mongoose that suffer most. Players, administrators seem to get away scot free and even when caught are usually so rich that it has no real effects on them. Mr butt from Pakistan for instance seems to have wintered well while banned as I'm sure he's still minted even though he's been proven as corrupt.
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Re: Fixing is rife in global cricket - Lou Vincent
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2014, 03:46:49 PM »

What about Aggers and Waitrose, tsk tsk?
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