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Re: Colin Graves thoughts on Pieterson
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2015, 09:11:11 AM »

Sorry, perhaps 'liked' wasn't the correct phase, more of a desire as to be seen to be doing things, shaking up the ecb and injecting new ideas. By saying kp could come back, he sounds open and reasonable, while knowing it won't actually happen and is nothing to do with him anyway. And he's now got a defense for anyone moaning at him about kp not being selected.

Not my fault guv!
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Re: Colin Graves thoughts on Pieterson
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2015, 09:12:25 AM »

Looks to me like another plea to be liked from Graves. He said its up to the selectors, and they've been pretty clear on it, so he's just pointing out its not him who's stopping kp.

Totally agree with this.

For KP to be picked again he needs to find a county and score a hundreds and hundreds of runs.

then
The following people will need to get sacked...

Paul Downton
Peter Moores
David Saker
Ali Cook (might be able to get away with staying on)
James Whitaker
Andy Flower (possibly)
and possibly Giles Clarke.

Now there is a good argument that they should all be losing their jobs regardless... but that is a serious about of redundancy payout cash.

I really can't see this happening.

I would really like to see some of those people out the door however!!

It may happen after we have been smashed in all the games this summer by New Zealand and Australia.
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Re: Colin Graves thoughts on Pieterson
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2015, 09:33:01 AM »

I read an interview with KP yesterday regarding this whole situation. He was asked specifically and a number of times that hypothetically if he was picked for England, would he willingly give up his IPL contract. He completely avoided the question and just said He would need to explore his options. That to me says he does not intend to give up his IPL contract in the event of being selected for England, else he would have said "Of course I would."

EDIT: I have just found the one I'd read. It was taken from his Sky Sports interview: http://www.boundarynews.org/news/pietersen-reacts-to-the-indication-that-the-door-may-be-re-open-for-him
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Re: Colin Graves thoughts on Pieterson
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2015, 09:53:04 AM »

Totally agree with this.

For KP to be picked again he needs to find a county and score a hundreds and hundreds of runs.

then
The following people will need to get sacked...

Paul Downton
Peter Moores
David Saker
Ali Cook (might be able to get away with staying on)
James Whitaker
Andy Flower (possibly)
and possibly Giles Clarke.

Now there is a good argument that they should all be losing their jobs regardless... but that is a serious about of redundancy payout cash.

I really can't see this happening.

I would really like to see some of those people out the door however!!

It may happen after we have been smashed in all the games this summer by New Zealand and Australia.

I personally do not think New Zealand or Australia will smash us in te longer formats of the game.
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Re: Colin Graves thoughts on Pieterson
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2015, 09:56:55 AM »

Problem is we won't get smashed. 

Instead, a combination of deliverately stultifying pitches, shaky top order Australian batting and the fact that we're not a terrible test side anyway will probabaly see us do just enough - probabaly not to win the Ashes back, but certainly to say that we made a decent fist of it on paper.

And so the sorry debacle will continue.

Don't get me wrong, some of the people named probabaly don't deserve to lose their jobs...but having typed that I'm struggling to think who, apart from Flower, I would certainly want to keep.

Downton and Whitaker should go for the KP fiasco alone.  Whether you agree with Pietersen or hate him, any member of staff deserves far better than to be publically sacked as he was, which was plain unbecoming of the people concerned.

Moores should go because he is not and has never been an international standard coach - indeed, the single biggest win for England would be to sack him today.    Saker I'm ambiguous about - he might be better moved back to LOughborough.

Cook...we could write an essay there...
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Re: Colin Graves thoughts on Pieterson
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2015, 10:16:49 AM »

It's a clever statement in my view. The EcB has been hearing for nearly a year that Kp is available to play and even more since the BBL. So why not put a bit of pressure back on kp. He's committed to playing elsewhere this summer, so it's now kp's fault for not playing county cricket.

Worse case scenario for the ecb is kp plays county cricket and ecb end up profiting from it through crowd attendance. Win win.
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Re: Colin Graves thoughts on Pieterson
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2015, 10:27:29 AM »

Worse case scenario for the ecb is kp plays county cricket and ecb end up profiting from it through crowd attendance. Win win.

No, the WORST case is he does that and scores runs whilst England struggle...then the clamour for a recall would become a real millstone. 
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Re: Colin Graves thoughts on Pieterson
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2015, 10:29:20 AM »

if you look at the statement that is on the BBC website it's carefully worded 'players playing county cricket and a positive influence on the team will be considered'

it's the second bit that will block this IF he plays county cricket.
I agree with the comments from Manormanic above, the ECB made a right dogs dinner of the whole thing, but it was the right decision.

said it before on here, if KP really wanted his place back he would bin the t20 money spinners and play for Surrey.He now says money is not important so let's see if he really wants it or it's just media story
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Re: Colin Graves thoughts on Pieterson
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2015, 12:49:11 PM »

Just going through the list:-

Paul Downton - director of admin and will go along with whoever picks the team to save his (No Swearing Please)
Peter Moores - gone by April or at the end of the Ashes
David Saker - not sure he'll last until April
Ali Cook (might be able to get away with staying on) - agree
James Whitaker - sideways move
Andy Flower (possibly) - gone already, director at loughborough and has no say
and possibly Giles Clarke. - pensioned off to the ICC

There you have it - if Moores/Whitaker go then I doubt there will be many left to object. KP was booted out because they wanted to bring Moores in and had to invent something to keep Moores happy. Had anybody else got the job then KP would still be playing.
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Re: Colin Graves thoughts on Pieterson
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2015, 12:59:40 PM »

I still dislike english cricket and the ecb 100%, every person involved with the ecb or their ideas since 2005 needs firing ( anyone who just blindly followed their directions too).

However, KP is gone and we do need to move on. Trouble is for me, moving on means letting ecb off the hook so I'm split 5050. KP would need to play coi th cricket, score record runs and be such a good egg.
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