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Gary Palmer helping Cook back to form?
« on: June 01, 2015, 11:01:09 AM »

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-new-zealand-2015/content/story/882951.html

Alastair Cook was quick to praise his long-term mentor, Graham Gooch, for his return to form in Test cricket, but it turns out there was another coach whose influence might have been just as important.

In the early months of this year, with his career seemingly at a crossroads, Cook made his way to a sports hall in Oxfordshire to consult Gary Palmer. Dropped from the ODI side and without a Test century for almost two years, Cook was far more concerned about his decline than his calm appearance may have suggested. The decision to work with Palmer was almost a last resort.

It was Gooch who suggested it. Having been contacted by Palmer, who thought he could help Cook, Gooch recommended the England captain explore the opportunity further. Many hours travelling backwards and forwards to Oxfordshire followed. Sometimes Palmer had to squeeze Cook's secret visits in between group coaching of school sides and one-to-one sessions with the kids of wealthy parents. A freelance cricket coach rarely has the opportunity of turning down work.

Palmer, the son of umpire and former Test player Ken, was one of the first 'new Bothams.' A seam-bowling all-rounder, he made his debut for Somerset as a 16-year-old but, perhaps due to a lack of height, perhaps due to a lack of pace, never quite developed as hoped. His playing career was over by the time he was 25.

His progress in coaching has not been smooth, either. Having developed his own techniques, Palmer, now 49, found himself on the outside of the cricket establishment. Despite gaining a strong reputation among professional players as a batting coach, he continually found himself overlooked for jobs within the county system. Like Ian Pont, the bowling coach, he has often seen players in secret and been dismissed as something of a maverick.

Palmer declined to confirm he was working with Cook - it was Cook who confirmed it - and declined to contribute to this article least he be thought to be betraying a confidence or seeking to capitalise on the development. He also declined to confirm the identity of the other England players he is currently working with, though ESPNcricinfo understands at least one other member of the current side is utilising him at present and one player on the fringes - Nick Compton - has done so.

In an age when it sometimes appears players suffer from over coaching, Palmer's methods are intriguing. Crucially, he believes in a slightly more open batting stance - a feature of Cook's modified technique - to aid balance and a full completion of strokes with the open face of the bat.

Insisting that cricket "is not a sideways game," Palmer believes the open stance prevents players from falling towards the off side - an issue for Cook throughout much of his career - and helps batsmen "complete" their strokes. He also believes that hours of drills against bowling machines set at relatively low speeds help engrain foot patterns and build 'muscle memory.' Neither he nor Pont are understood to favour prolonged working with the 'dog-thrower' that Gooch and co. utilise so often.

But what does Cook's decision to use a freelance coach say about Loughborough? What does it say about the value for money the ECB are gaining from all the millions - £4m a year in wages alone according to their own accounts - invested in the 90-odd people they employ in coaching and cricket development?

It certainly isn't a ringing endorsement. Equally, it doesn't reflect especially flatteringly on Mark Ramprakash, England's new batting coach who is out of contract in September, or the culture at the ECB that players feel the need to seek outside help in secret.

Palmer and Pont have, in recent years, been consistent in their belief that coach development in England is lagging well behind the development of the world game. Both have suggested that the ECB's reliance on coaching protocols that are out-dated is holding back its players and that there is too much emphasis on fitness and not enough on skill.

And the fact that neither have, to date, been utilised in an official capacity by the ECB might suggest that their theories - theories that rock the boat and threaten some in long-established positions at Loughborough - have been prematurely dismissed.

But if Palmer has enjoyed such success with Cook, surely it would make sense to utilise his knowledge more often?

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

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Re: Gary Palmer helping Cook back to form?
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2015, 11:34:23 AM »

I havw had a few sessions from Gary Palmer a great coach
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Re: Gary Palmer helping Cook back to form?
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2015, 12:16:39 PM »

Yeah I read this, interesting stuff. Makes you wonder why coaches like him and Pont can't get a regular gig somewhere.
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Re: Gary Palmer helping Cook back to form?
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2015, 12:22:09 PM »

Because they are not like the other children in the playground, and that frightens the ECB teachers!
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Re: Gary Palmer helping Cook back to form?
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2015, 12:38:00 PM »

All a bit odd if you ask me. I have seen some of his coaching videos on youtube and thought they were perfectly orthodox and made good common sense. Is that radical now?
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Re: Gary Palmer helping Cook back to form?
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2015, 12:53:21 PM »

The common sense bit has been crayoned out of the ECB colouring-in book.
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Re: Gary Palmer helping Cook back to form?
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2015, 03:55:27 PM »

He coaches Carberry as well. I like him. The technique he teaches is sound.
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Re: Gary Palmer helping Cook back to form?
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2015, 04:03:06 PM »

He advocates paprallely aligned feet when driving as well as shoulder rotation for wider deliveries.  I have seen videos of coaches from India who teach keeping the bat behind the line of the ball when driving on the off side. I used to think that GP's method was just the "English" driving style until I saw Toby Radford in action and his feet position was not as aligned as advocated by GP.

What I have found is that GP's technique actually works very well in the field. I was skeptical in the beginning but unless I try to manufacture something silly, his technique is fool proof! Having said that, I don't think his technique is orthodox (although he claims that he developed it using Viv Richard's technique in mind).



All a bit odd if you ask me. I have seen some of his coaching videos on youtube and thought they were perfectly orthodox and made good common sense. Is that radical now?
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Re: Gary Palmer helping Cook back to form?
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2015, 04:23:34 PM »

there's far too much made of 'elite' coaching in this Country.
good for Cook and kudos to this guy Palmer. If he is helping Cook and others behind the scenes brilliant, there are way too many coaches with England and have been for years.

Cook's current technique looks even more ugly than his old one, but whatever he has done has worked. Good for him
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Re: Gary Palmer helping Cook back to form?
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2015, 01:41:06 PM »

there's far too much made of 'elite' coaching in this Country.
good for Cook and kudos to this guy Palmer. If he is helping Cook and others behind the scenes brilliant, there are way too many coaches with England and have been for years.

Cook's current technique looks even more ugly than his old one, but whatever he has done has worked. Good for him

What I have never understood is why England or any country in that matter have any on board coaches? As cricket is an individual sport within a team sport, why don't the various pro's have their own coaches, the ones that got them playing international cricket in the first place for example? You don't see pro golfers chopping and changing their swing coach just because they are going to play somewhere else?
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Re: Gary Palmer helping Cook back to form?
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2015, 02:17:36 PM »

I think the batting/bowling coaching roles ought to be rotated on a regular basis. No one coach is right or wrong in what they believe. To have assess to a number of coaches either on a one to one basis or regularly rotate the coaching role (once a season) would open the players minds to other methods. The ECB could pay 3 or 4 coaches a part time retainer instead of hiring and firing full time coaches.
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Re: Gary Palmer helping Cook back to form?
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2015, 02:59:29 PM »

I think a lot of them have their own coaches, I know Bell did all throughout his pro career,KP has one, and Compton and other have visited this Gary Palmer guy. Hence you do question why England actually need a technical coach. Someone like Thorpe who I think is still involved in the one day coaching yes..but is that really a coach or an advisor? terrific player Thorpe and i'm sure younger players could learn from him being around England for sure....but not sure that really is a coach

don't know how many other have looked at the you tube gary palmer video, I did think myself it's a little unusual,the one where the batsman basically has his legs crossed over, but what he does works

and credit should go to Gooch as well..think of how many hours spent with Cook, and then he opens his mind and gets another guy in for different advise.

Really I think that, for me anyway, sums up what coaching is all about.
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