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TangoWhiskey

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Re: Batting against pace and general defensive tips.
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2016, 01:14:02 PM »

It's easier said than done but I always find that I deal better with fast bouncy net warriors by making sure I'm stood directly in front of the stumps. That way you are already in line with it. Then its a case of forcing yourself to stand there and no back away. I make a small trigger movement towards the stumps to get my feet ready to move as the bowler is entering his delivery stride and then just trust myself to get bat on it when it comes down.

I've had a bit of a falling out with our net warrior and he bumped me 9 balls out of 10 last night. The only trouble I had was the red mist making me play at balls that were sailing above my head which was a bit stupid but otherwise once you're in line with it you'd be amazed at what takes over naturally. The main problem is trusting yourself.
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Re: Batting against pace and general defensive tips.
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2016, 02:07:56 PM »

Back in the day when I faced quicks,  I used to watch them clean up players who didnt want to be facing it. They had won already.

Just my 2 pence but I would mess with his head. I loved facing  quicks. They would get erratic very quickly if u messed with them.

If he bowled quick but full, Id charge him. Seriously. Quick step up the crease and force a straight drive straight back past him on the full or half volley. Yes u might york yourself but it will seriously piss him off. When he bowls short, just drop your hands if outside off, if over middle or leg, just  drop from your knees but keep looking at the ball. Just show some real confidence when facing him and I bet you end up playing first team this season.

That what I would have done years back. Now I have to spend a second trying to see what line & length it is.
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Re: Batting against pace and general defensive tips.
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2016, 03:16:20 PM »

I always try not to over think. Watch the ball, keep my head still and play it under my snout. Don't just hold the bat out and wait for the ball to hit it, watch the ball and play late and you will find you have more time than you think.
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Re: Batting against pace and general defensive tips.
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2016, 05:00:39 PM »

I think I watch the ball to a point, the point where I have assessed the line and length etc and maybe I am a little guilty of taking my eye off the ball when I'm playing the stroke so I should work on that.

In terms of grip, I think I'm slighty confused about how should my V line up? My V's line up with the line that runs down the back of the bat. Last year I had some coaching and the guy said they should line up between the centre of the bat and the outside edge... That didn't look or feel natural though, it was like I was holding a golf club and not a cricket bat.

Now I've often heard the term get in line and I kind of know what it means but cricket is a game of fine margins, so if I stood in line correctly and let the ball hit me... where exactly would it hit me??
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Re: Batting against pace and general defensive tips.
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2016, 10:35:41 PM »

I have always triggered back and across as it gets me ready for the ball. Gets my feet moving and I feel I can easily go back (your preference) or forward. May be worth a try, no harm!


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Re: Batting against pace and general defensive tips.
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2016, 05:21:50 PM »

So I faced my nemesis again in nets last night. Armed with some forum advice. I batted deeper in my crease and tried to play my natural game instead of pre-meditating a defensive stroke. I had a little more success although I did get cleaned up once but when a ball is angling into middle and leg and hits the top of off you have to be a little forgiving on yourself. I did play a half drive/half edge through point and a crunching cover drive against him though so a step in the right direction. I think I need to really focus on watching the ball all the way onto the bat though ;)
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Re: Batting against pace and general defensive tips.
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2016, 05:38:43 PM »

watching the ball all the way onto the bat though

I believe that's not physically possible but good luck 👍
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Re: Batting against pace and general defensive tips.
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2016, 06:00:18 PM »

I believe that's not physically possible but good luck 👍

Do you not think so? Me either to be honest and a veteran at our club who was a run machine said that he never watched it onto the bat, but then when I asked him how did he account for late swing/seam movement he couldn't really give me an answer. Guess it came naturally to him. You know I played footy since I was 7 and have never asked a question on a forum... Cricket has that habit of making people obsessive does it not?
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Re: Batting against pace and general defensive tips.
« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2016, 06:04:19 PM »

Do you not think so? Me either to be honest and a veteran at our club who was a run machine said that he never watched it onto the bat, but then when I asked him how did he account for late swing/seam movement he couldn't really give me an answer. Guess it came naturally to him. You know I played footy since I was 7 and have never asked a question on a forum... Cricket has that habit of making people obsessive does it not?

the key is to not obsess with anything. you want to be in a natural state of mind, where your muscle memory and technique takes over. if you just watch the ball out of the bowler's hand and stay relaxed and ready, you will give yourself the best chance to react well.
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Re: Batting against pace and general defensive tips.
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2016, 06:37:47 PM »

According to the research quoted in Bob Woolmers book - "good" batsman see the ball out of the hand and then predict line and length and then pick it up again around when it bounces...whereupon you can try to watch it on to the bat...I think. It's been a while since I read it!

Well done. I think it watching it out of the hand and really concentrating and getting into position is supposed to be the way to do it - from one school of thought, rather than watching it for all 400ms between release and contact with bat (or leg/stumps/edge).
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Re: Batting against pace and general defensive tips.
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2016, 10:44:07 PM »

According to the research quoted in Bob Woolmers book - "good" batsman see the ball out of the hand and then predict line and length and then pick it up again around when it bounces...whereupon you can try to watch it on to the bat...I think. It's been a while since I read it!

Well done. I think it watching it out of the hand and really concentrating and getting into position is supposed to be the way to do it - from one school of thought, rather than watching it for all 400ms between release and contact with bat (or leg/stumps/edge).
Cheers



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That would explain the Yorker I got out to tonight
I predicted the lime and length but didn't pick it up again as it pitched on my foot and went into the stumps!

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Re: Batting against pace and general defensive tips.
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2016, 11:02:52 PM »

And why I hit a Yorker onto my toe last week...


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Re: Batting against pace and general defensive tips.
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2016, 02:40:05 AM »

I don't think you should take your eye off the wall. Keeping head still helps with that. Although I watch the release of the ball from the hand, I find it difficult to gauge the length by looking at the point of release. It is nearly impossible for me to tell if the hand is close to the head (full) or further forward (short) - the angle from my vantage point is not enough. Maybe pros can do it. I can't.

The tactic that works for me is that I watch the release of the ball but prepare for a full ball or yorker from the get go. Since I am watching the ball thru, if it is not a full or yorker, I shift weight to the back foot. If it is a yorker or a full, I am already prepared for it.
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Re: Batting against pace and general defensive tips.
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2016, 05:46:37 PM »

Again more success this Monday and I learned a completely new technique that nobody has mentioned... Measure the length of the wicket at 25/26 yards as opposed to the usual 22. Worked a treat ;)
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