Topic: Average vs Strike Rate (Read 5240 times)

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 20, 2019, 03:43:53 PM »

Anyway..

Win lose

Batting
Ideally 30+ avg with SR 70+

Bowling
Economy all the way as that�s what the format is about. 10-2-20-0 over 10-0-50-3

Draw cricket

40+ with SR 50+

Bowling
SR as it�s about being able to take wickets or you won�t win ..

Kez · « **Reply #16 on:** February 20, 2019, 03:44:58 PM »

Produce match influencing performances. Runs, wickets, catches, any combination

dt-second-hand-cricket · « **Reply #17 on:** February 20, 2019, 04:07:00 PM »

Quote from: LateBloomer on February 20, 2019, 11:43:18 AM

When you start to play a higher level of limited overs cricket on better pitches a SR of 50 is most definitely not acceptable when batting first.

this must be dependent on the quality of the batters - if your top 6 are going to average 25 all season with 150 strike rate, your probably going to lose more games than you win, unless your tail is going to get you 100 runs ever innings (i suppose at that strike rate they will have plenty of overs to do it

) or you are a gun bowling side/bat on a minefield

always been of the opinion of balance to a batting order is best - if you have a mix of your 3 options in a top 6 then you will be a good side, however the last time i played a high level was 2010 so things may have massively changed!!!

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 20, 2019, 04:27:15 PM »

Quote from: dt-second-hand-cricket on February 20, 2019, 04:07:00 PM

this must be dependent on the quality of the batters - if your top 6 are going to average 25 all season with 150 strike rate, your probably going to lose more games than you win, unless your tail is going to get you 100 runs ever innings (i suppose at that strike rate they will have plenty of overs to do it ) or you are a gun bowling side/bat on a minefield

always been of the opinion of balance to a batting order is best - if you have a mix of your 3 options in a top 6 then you will be a good side, however the last time i played a high level was 2010 so things may have massively changed!!!

A lot of teams just rely on someone coming off rather than intentionally putting more steady players in. It�s win lose cricket somthere isn�t much reward for teams to play steady bats.. win big or lose big

I only get a gig as WEPL is a dire standard really and the team I play for only really has two other decent bats.. the rest are mediocre. There isn�t sadly a formst for my style anymore so it�s not really that much fun but I will currently play to the game. That is getting less fun each season though sadly as I don�t feel a bowler or oppo ever actually get me out. It�s always when having to biff

AJ2014 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 20, 2019, 05:00:45 PM »

Think only 1st and 2nd XIs have really good fielders, lower than that it's 50-50 and then most of the times only very easy catches are taken in our league, umpire doesn't see the difference between straight or a turning one, last 3 seasons gone past, 3 or 4 lbw given on my bowling, keepers are good but there are 5-6 keepers been used due to availability, looking at all these factors, need to adapt bowling accordingly, for an off spinner only getting wickets by bowled or snicked are the main options

dt-second-hand-cricket · « **Reply #20 on:** February 20, 2019, 05:01:32 PM »

@RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie - the'win big lose big' mentality is one my clubs first team defo go for, they have just got promoted to WEPL 2 - so it must work to a certain extent, i will be interested how they are in a better standard, Glos Premier looks an odd league from what i have seen (5 decent teams and 5 not great teams), whether that approach still works against sides with stronger bowling attacks

InternalTraining · « **Reply #21 on:** February 20, 2019, 05:07:31 PM »

Quote from: AJ2014 on February 19, 2019, 11:49:30 PM

For me,
Batting : Average
Bowling : Strike Rate
Would like know how you guys think about.

For a clubbie batsman who plays 40 over limited ("win/lose") games, here are my thoughts:

- These indicators are somewhat useful individually but don't provide a good enough picture and require a lot of discernment from captain and fellow batsmen.

- No accounting for dot balls/boundaries/sixes in the average and strike rate. Is the batsman a big hitter with a solid defense or someone who regularly rotates strike? I can't tell that by looking at just strike rate or average.

- They don't factor in opposition bowling standards and relative ranking (percentile) in the division/league tables.

- They don't factor in the batting position. An opener averaging 25 with a strike of 95 v/s a low middle order batsman average 40 with a strike rate of 45 doesn't look very good but maybe a far superior batsmen seeing off quicks and a moving new ball.

- They don't factor in pitch and outfield conditions. Some of our league grounds have very high grass and ground shots are pretty useless. Scoring grinds to a halt for both sides. No relative/comparative assessment of a players performance is available.

These indicators are relics of simpler days when "all else being equal" was the mantra and scoring/accounting was done by part-timers or retired people.

We need today are performance factors based on:

- Dot ball count and frequency of 1s, 2s, 3s, 4s, and 6s.
- batting order position
- quality of bowling and bowlers faced
- pitch and ground conditions
- comparative rating to other batsmen for that position against same bowling attack and conditions.

smilley792 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 20, 2019, 05:29:34 PM »

Strike rate!!!

Everyone loves a good ton, and applauds it, but get that Ton in 15 overs and the oppos heads are down and they have already lost the game.

Last year I averaged 34...... but at an SR of 140 plus.
I opened.
I won the first teams batting averages.
We won the league.
We are in the top league in our division(not premier league standard mind).

Recently a lot of the oppo in our league have started opening with more aggressive batsman and have looked to do the same.
Quick starts and try and demoralise the oppostion early.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #23 on:** February 20, 2019, 05:53:08 PM »

Quote from: smilley792 on February 20, 2019, 05:29:34 PM

Recently a lot of the oppo in our league have started opening with more aggressive batsman and have looked to do the same.
Quick starts and try and demoralise the oppostion early.

That's our strategy as well but doesn't always work.

Does your side bat first or second? Are these win-lose games?

stevat · « **Reply #24 on:** February 21, 2019, 10:00:58 AM »

In most cases balance in the order is key I would argue, if you're going to have two openers looking to score quickly - have a more stoic bat at 3 to anchor the innings if it goes sour, else you soon end up 4 or 5 down with 20 on the board and your slower scoring players coming in.

When I was younger my approach was to try and knock off singles and twos early doors, keep the score ticking over whilst I got my eye in. Then once I was feeling a bit more 'in', I would start to play a bit more expansively. These days I aim to hit a boundary within my first five or six balls then go from there, game's changed a lot.

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