Topic: Young legspinners and the free hit consequences (Read 3748 times)

shentser · « **Reply #15 on:** August 10, 2022, 12:01:31 PM »

Quote from: cobweb1510 on August 04, 2022, 11:38:56 PM

I'm not sure I agree.

My son has played pairs for most of his cricket career as a wicketkeeper/batsman. He has had plenty of games ruined (for him) with his precious 12 balls being slung all over the place and being unhittable. However the bowlers are protected by a rule that limits the number of additional balls that the bowler can deliver (1 from memory). So he stands there as his 14 balls roll along the floor or are 8 feet wide as his opportunity to contribute and have fun goes up in smoke.

Totally get this point. my son stopped playing pairs and moved up to regular rules a few years early to avoid this scenario.

Your spinner has been hurt by her own lack of skill- the batsman gets punished for the bowlers lack of skill.

She is being punished for her perserverence in trying to turn the ball. The batsman has already had their free hit from the double bouncer so why get another ?. The answer is surely to simply rebowl the no ball

A couple of further points specific to your example-
Is 17 really classed as that young to need extra protection? I'm not convinced.
Aren't all spinners at risk of being expensive when things don't work properly? I would think the mental resilience needed to cope with that was an important skill for all spinners to learn, and captains to manage.

Age wise I guess it depends on how long they have been playing and how new they are to spin bowling.

Tonight I watched a 12 year old walk off the pitch in tears having got out 4 times in his 4 over partnership. He's not very good. The rule designed to protect him (loss of runs, keep batting) actually led to repeated failures rather than a single low score. In truth, no rule is going to protect him here- he failed and was going to feel bad. If he can't learn to accept that, I can't see him continuing to play the game for long irrespective of any accommodations made for him.

I have often thought instead of the batsman having a minus 5 penalty the penalty runs should be added to rthe bowling teams score so it remains a win for the bowler but the kid doesnt have the embarrasment of a minus score when they come off.

The point I'm trying to make (whilst probably sounding completely heartless is you cannot legislate a poor player against a good one. If this spinner is being hit to the boundary repeatedly then it sounds like she's up against a batsman that is better than her (at least on the day) - in the same way my son's team mate was against bowlers better than him. My son has played games in all sports where he has been heavily beaten- and dished out heavy defeats. It's part of playing sport.

I just think in my particular example it was an excellent battle until this free hit debacle. The ball was turning and beating the bat when pitched in the right areas. The double bouncer gets smashed to the boundary so why not simply rebowl rather than give the free hit ?

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #16 on:** August 10, 2022, 09:41:07 PM »

Quote from: brokenbat on August 08, 2022, 06:46:30 PM

Young spinners need protection from terrible coaches/parents, not from the laws of the game.

Free hits aren't actually in the laws of the game. They are a competition-specific ammendment.

Buzz · « **Reply #17 on:** August 11, 2022, 07:59:56 AM »

Quote from: Thor Odin�s Son on August 05, 2022, 08:26:06 AM

Your either good at sport or you�re not. Simple as. If the �enjoyment� if there as you aren�t good enough to adhere to the laws of the game - take up something else.

This is absolute garbage. With cricket especially you can work really hard and become decent. It just takes dedication and some good core coaching.

Buzz · « **Reply #18 on:** August 11, 2022, 08:07:13 AM »

I have spent the last 4 summers coaching kids from reception age to u12.

In the last two games my u8 team have played they have bowled a maximum of 3 wides and 2 no balls in each game. One of the wides was my son trying to bowl a back of the hand slower ball... Argh.

We have spent a lot of time working with the kids on bowling actions and really running in to bowl and completing their actions. At the beginning of the summer I only had 2 kids who could bowl the rest chucked it.

Batting is a very different thing because you get unplayable balls, especially on the crap wickets kids play on.
But repetition of hitting balls helps.
The other important thing I have learned is don't make a big deal out of people getting out. They need to explore the boundaries of when they can run or which balls to hit. This is why pairs cricket is really beneficial.

As for the topic... Bowling is part confidence part bluff. The kids will need to learn the bluff and also need to have the self awareness that it won't be your day every day.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #19 on:** August 11, 2022, 10:20:33 AM »

Quote from: Buzz on August 11, 2022, 07:59:56 AM

This is absolute garbage. With cricket especially you can work really hard and become decent. It just takes dedication and some good core coaching.

Also, if youngsters are scared to try different things, only the 'safe' skills get learnt. (Everyone become a medium-pacer or an off-spinner.)

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