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gihanrat

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Lowest / longest sweetspot standard bats
« on: January 20, 2025, 03:30:28 PM »
Which current standard (rather than custom) bat shapes by batmakers have the lowest sweetspot on the blade?

And which standard shapes have the longest sweetspots?
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Re: Lowest / longest sweetspot standard bats
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2025, 06:45:37 PM »
My JS175 is pretty low at approx 175mm feel the toe. Most are slightly bigger I think, but there'll be some litter no doubt.

I'm terms of longest sweet spot, that's not really determined by shape imo. More about the pressing and any bat should have some response both sides of the sweet spot.
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Re: Lowest / longest sweetspot standard bats
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2025, 09:17:06 PM »
Thanks Jonny, interesting to hear your views on length of sweetspot. So I presume that means it is the inherent properties of the cleft with the right pressing and prep which will translate into the size of the sweetspot? If that is the case, does that mean the width of the sweetspot is not dependednt on the degree of concaving (or lack thereof) then?
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Re: Lowest / longest sweetspot standard bats
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2025, 09:21:51 PM »
Not just mine mate, think you'd find it a common theory/belief. Bats have always pinged, even though shapes, profiles etc have changed drastically over the years. Full, concaved, even Scoops with zero spine have all pinged throughout the blade. That should tell us something you'd think?
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Re: Lowest / longest sweetspot standard bats
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2025, 09:46:49 PM »
Quote from: jonny77 on January 20, 2025, 09:21:51 PM
Not just mine mate, think you'd find it a common theory/belief. Bats have always pinged, even though shapes, profiles etc have changed drastically over the years. Full, concaved, even Scoops with zero spine have all pinged throughout the blade. That should tell us something you'd think?

Good points! Personally though, I've never found a GN Scoop (90s generation and from the 2010s, not yet tried a 2024/5 model though) that has had a nice ping, so wasn't convinced by whole perimeter weighting to increase sweetspot (guess that's your point!) so prob subconsciously thought losing the spine led to less of a ping. I found the GN Dynadrive with two long scoops either side but maintained spine height in the middle much more to my liking (along with the 1st gen GN Xiphos and GN Phoenix) and had cracking bats with excellent ping and sweetspots.

Maybe the Don didn't need to spend so much time with the golf ball and stump if bats of yesteryear were pressed properly (tic  :D)
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Re: Lowest / longest sweetspot standard bats
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2025, 12:39:51 AM »
Just to give some more product feedback to our OP on his initial question.
I dug out my Chase Volante 2023 version. I originally bought it as it had a low middle. Very similar to @jonny77 middle position 17.5cm (3 inches) from toe. Or as I like to call it ‘a ball width’.
I think we would all agree a good bat pings perfectly well enough a ball width from the toe, and a ball width under splice/stickers.
I am very happy with my volante and surprised how elongated the middle is on the bat considering it’s a low middle profile.
I’ve measured a Salix AJK and a Salix Pod. Both start to peak more like 4 inches from toe. Very much mid/middle looking profiles.
But performance wise, ping starts a ball width from toe, and a ball width below splice/stickers. The pod even has the spine running into the toe. But it’s very much dead in the toe area and is more of a duckbill toe finish.
So 3 different profile bats. All with varying middle positions. But perform exactly the same in the same areas.
I’d also like to mention that the volante is 2,8. And the pod is 2,10.
The Pod feels lighter and more balanced.
The other thing I have to remind myself when browsing at bats, is that in 3 seasons time that bat will be absolutely pinging everywhere from being so well played in. Bats take time and patience to reach performance not necessarily profile shape.
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Re: Lowest / longest sweetspot standard bats
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2025, 03:08:19 AM »
Quote from: gihanrat on January 20, 2025, 03:30:28 PM
And which standard shapes have the longest sweetspots?

Millichamp & Hall used to make a model called Amplus. It had a very long sweet spot. I can't say that it is the longest because there are just hundreds of bat models out there to compare this-and-that. I can't comment on what's the status of that model now but when I bought it, it was made in their England factory. Amazing bat!

You can ask another question: Where on the bat do you normally hit the ball? Once a batsman understands that, picking the optimal bat becomes easier. I played on bouncy tracks but I hit middle (instead of high) and came to prefer bats with a "mid" middle...even on different models/shapes.

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