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Rik

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Re: Shane Warne Still got it
« Reply #30 on: December 21, 2011, 06:23:51 AM »

That isn't a fair statement MD2812. Murali took just as many wickets against top teams too. Some figures:

Mural at home, 372 @ 22.22 (59 matches). Murali away, 252 @ 28.78 (49 matches). Excluding against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

Warne at home, 319 @ 26.39 (69 matches). Warne away, 345 @ 25.49 (70 matches). Excluding against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

Both were great bowlers, simple as that. Both had a lot to contend with... if Murali was often the only threat he would more often then not be bowling at top order batsmen... with McGrath and company frequently making inroads against the top order Warne would bowl against the lower order more frequently. Warne did well against England, but so did Murali - I would've loved to have seen Murali get more tests against the English back then too.

As stated there are a lot of factors to consider.

Here is a decent anaysis: http://www.sportstats.com.au/warnemurali.html

I'm sure if you were to jump on google and look around you could find many more too.
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Re: Shane Warne Still got it
« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2011, 08:21:08 AM »

No comparison, warney actually bowled the ball as opposed to Murali. Murali I found to be quite a sook as well.
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Re: Shane Warne Still got it
« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2011, 11:14:19 AM »

You can't persecute someone for contracting polio! He made the absolute best of an awful situation give the guy a break!
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Re: Shane Warne Still got it
« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2011, 04:47:48 PM »

Persecute is a bit harsh. Whichever way you look at it, his action was unorthodox to say the least. Whether you look at that as bending the rules, setting a trend or just pure genius, he did it legally. Whether the rules need changing is a completely different argument altogether. Still rather watch Warne though.
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Re: Shane Warne Still got it
« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2011, 05:12:04 PM »

No comparison, warney actually bowled the ball as opposed to Murali. Murali I found to be quite a sook as well.

Tbh I've heard too many opinions like these on Murali, and it really irks me. Anyone who think's he's a 'sook' (as per the definition I just had to look up) just plain doesn't know him, and I'd say doesn't know cricket. MM was the backbone and catalyst of the whole team on and off the pitch, and any report of his persona easily comes down any page about him after snide, borderline racist comments on his action, so few people know about him (properly).

He's always come across as someone embarrassed, if not ashamed, of having the deformity, though it's given him no easy route to the success he's enjoyed. It was he himself that instigated most of the medical research into examining his action, a process that indeed corroborated his assumptions that so many international cricketers bowl the ball with a similar bend to their elbow. Of all the cricketers biographies I'd like to read, his would be at the top.

However, like most people, for whatever reason, I'd rather watch Warne all day long. As he's a hero of mine - as far as I'm concerned, I didn't learn to bowl spin, I learnt to 'Warne'.

I think most people can 'relate' to Warne as there's so much (western) focus on his deliveries, and, to an extent, they're copy-able. Not many people appreciate that MM's are copyable too, though you'd have to start practising 10 hours a day, every day, from the age of 11! A number of great bowlers can do MM's deliveries (the doosra etc), MM is just a bit special that he can do them all!

I think English people (myself included!) are the only nation that would state that they (would) fear Warne more than Murali, and I think that tells of the impact of Warne's words/ego/mind games (lol). I've always though Murali hid his deliveries more impredictability about them.

So down to statistics, for me, I don;t really care who took the most wickets. When you're at that level, both bowlers can just be classed as geniune greats. Owing to the nature of cricket and the innings structure, not to mention the lack of standardisation for opponents, home/away's etc, then I don't think you can really, fairly, pick between them.

All I know, is that the subcontinent have always had great spinners. It was Warne that genuinely revolutionised the game (and, to a lesser extent, every summer I've had since 1991!)

Plus I'd like to see MM try his luck on Liz Hurley... ;)
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Re: Shane Warne Still got it
« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2011, 11:01:08 PM »

His action was digraceful, how is that borderline racist? Botha, Bird, Harbijhan and quite a few others are just as bad. As for not knowing him or cricket, I only comment on what I have experience in, I have met him twice and he left me with the lasting impression that he is indeed a sook.
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Re: Shane Warne Still got it
« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2011, 11:18:51 PM »

They both have respectable wicket tallies. However... Shane Warne ignited a spin revolution (excuse the pun). He made people want to be him, people wanted to be him because they could emulate him, as his googily, flipper, toppie etc can all be done by mere mortals, even if we are rubbish!
Murali was a freak, his action is nigh imopossible to replicate and much like malinga im sure this accounts for a fair few of his wickets. (it would be interesting to see if he takes more in the first 2 games of a series or the last 2). But he showed immense character to come back against the allegations being made against him and he also played with great heart and soul, as did Warne. Hecne why I would call both of them greats.
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Re: Shane Warne Still got it
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2012, 02:14:40 PM »

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=2sSyYSFhTLA

Watch this earlier, Mr Lara's opinion on the debate  :)
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