Topic: Illegal Bats (Read 6021 times)

Talisman · « **Reply #15 on:** September 30, 2008, 07:03:26 PM »

Any illegal bat can still be made until April 2009 and sold in shops until October 2009 so plenty of time yet to buy and once sold to the public you can use it forever.

Watsontotty · « **Reply #16 on:** September 30, 2008, 07:24:54 PM »

The term illegal bat is not the best of terms to use as from the 1st October 2008 only grade a bats can be used in the professional game but all bats can still be made and sold to the general public ? all bats made must comply with the new laws and be graded a, b , c each grade has different things which are allowed.

All professionals will only use grade A bats and are only allowed 10% or less usage of materials other than those in my previous email, I've sent Tom the full laws and hopefully he will add the document to the forum.

SAF Bats · « **Reply #17 on:** September 30, 2008, 08:55:26 PM »

Grading is done by the manufacturer from memory.... Lamitoes and Raylon insert from the off are out...

Laminated bats I assume will be out as they will be glued and therefore be related to having been fixed.. epoxy resins could change the way the bat play as it may for example: stiffen the bat.

M&H S6 with its inserts should be ok as they are not glue but push fitted

Read a few but not all replies so sorry if I'm repeating here....

Grade A bats may be used in all cricket.
Grade B bats may be used in all cricket except professional cricket.
Grade C bats may not be used in professional cricket or top amateur cricket � eg Premier Leagues, Grade Cricket.

All bats are ok as they stand at moment but can't be used in Grade A professional cricket....

Bats that will be illegal and have been bought or will be bought can be used until the end of there life span

MCC are recommending that all bats are graded A, B, C [with a sticker applied by the manufacturer] as close as possible to the Oct 1st though - therefore some early sales and bargains like Talimans says....

I believe Laver and Woods is one of the only carbo handle ok in the new rules

Tom · « **Reply #18 on:** September 30, 2008, 09:39:10 PM »

Quote from: Talisman on September 30, 2008, 07:03:26 PM

Any illegal bat can still be made until April 2009 and sold in shops until October 2009 so plenty of time yet to buy and once sold to the public you can use it forever.

Perfect, exactly what I was looking for. Thanks. I take it you could also sell these bats under a different guise, for example "The new Newbery Mjlonir C6+ fielding bat (Full size)"?

Got the rules also already, had them since May time but haven't referred to them in a while. They're on the MCC site too, but I'll add them on here if I get chance. Just all slightly confusing as what can/cannot be done.

hell4leather cricket · « **Reply #19 on:** September 30, 2008, 10:11:36 PM »

I SUPPOSE THE IMPALA 'RATTLER' IS ON THE LIST THEN?

SAF Bats · « **Reply #20 on:** September 30, 2008, 10:18:02 PM »

sorry should add as it maybe misleading about toe inserts

Toe insert � Grade A bats may not have a toe insert placed in them. Grade B and C bats may have a toe insert fitted inside the blade,using minimal adhesive. This insert must not extend from the toe more than 2.5 in/6.35 cm up the blade at any point.

Side insert � Grade A bats may not have side inserts placed in them. Grade B and C bats may have side inserts fitted. Neither side insert may extend from the edge more than 1 in/2.54 cm across the blade at any point.

art · « **Reply #21 on:** September 30, 2008, 11:00:58 PM »

Let's look carefully at what is being said.

1. The bat blade must be made of wood.
2. There are stricter limits on coverings and logo thickness and areas they cover.

TYhe main aim of this new Law rewrite is to exclude handlesa made of materials other than wood or cane within known limits. Now grade A and B bats can have no more than 10% non cane or wood in the handle and grade C bats no more than 20%.

What they are technically doing is outlawing those non wood handles that have become prevalent.

art · « **Reply #22 on:** September 30, 2008, 11:19:24 PM »

I'll just add a little since a couple of posts were made before I posted mine that I did not see. The so called 'inserts' (toe and side) are no big deal to the average cricketer but they are to the professional. What is trying to be done here is to ensure that the bat and that includes the handle is technically made of wood or for the handle at least 90% wood, cane and twine.

The use of toe and side inserts has been a problem for some time as it frankly appears that certain professional players were obtaining an advantage in bat design by exploiting a 'loophole' in the Law. There was in fact no loophole as such it was just that a few souls pushed the boundaries too far and have been stopped. Toe and side inserts are okay for grades B and C.

The use of non wood inserts in the toe and side were a technical breach of the Law in any case but as usual a few folks knew better than the Laws. Cricket is a very simple game that is complicated by money and lawyers.

SAF Bats · « **Reply #23 on:** September 30, 2008, 11:56:12 PM »

Whilst I understand the potential benefits of handles toe and side inserts and I can see why they looked at changing the laws. Some people are saying that why cane in the handle it is not sustainable at the moment but the law states:

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The handle is to be made principally of cane and or wood, glued where necessary and bound with twine along the upper portion

There are still ways that you can get the same benefits that they supplied within the new laws. In some instances it may mean less of a shelf life for the bat but I doubt that Grade A cricketers will mind.

Like you say the talk about coverings and logo thickness and there potential to enhance performance. At the moment I don't think there is a huge benefit but thickness size restriction on this are the correct way to go as yes certain materials will add benefits. But there will always be something out there that could be used within the laws for coverings

Or is that not in the Spirit of Cricket, whilst on that subject. If you believe, like alot of people do, that cricket has become more of showman like spectacle and that has pushed itself towards a bias towards the batter rather then the bowler. Why not even it up that way as well.....

SAF Bats · « **Reply #24 on:** October 13, 2008, 10:35:25 AM »

Anybody spotted a MCC Sticker or the letter A on of the bats being used in the recents tests / matches? [Some that do not have the stickers are writing an A on the top of the handle!]

kenbriooo · « **Reply #25 on:** October 16, 2008, 02:14:47 PM »

Quote from: Tom on September 30, 2008, 03:06:21 PM

The ones I have seen are willow laminated with some other wood (it looks like Kashmir or EWNI) on the back. I was under the impression that this new law meant laminated bats were illegal.

Check the attached pic

Love the size of the Sumo, how much does it weigh and cost?

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