Topic: Big bat brigade (Read 2821 times)

Aldred Cricket Bats · « **on:** June 27, 2014, 05:06:38 PM »

All you big bat lovers as you may realise the majority of people want all the lightest clefts available and so we often get quite a few heavier clefts hanging around so to that note keep an eye out over the next few weeks for incredible deals on some heavier bats. They will be sold as pre mades so as you know our pre mades when we have any sell cheap anyway being as we are a bespoke business but these will be even cheaper than normal to try and move some of these beautiful clefts on that just are in the heavier weight range
Keep them peeled

Manormanic · « **Reply #1 on:** June 27, 2014, 05:26:19 PM »

any long blades in there?

leatherseat · « **Reply #2 on:** June 27, 2014, 05:32:44 PM »

Hi Paul,

Can I pick your brain with a question that has been going around my head for the past couple of weeks, on this topic?

I know people want the largest (by means of volume - cm3) bat for a given weight. But, assuming a similar moisture content, doesn't the weight reflect the amount of wood (fibres), rather better than the 'volume' of the bat does? Therefore, why should a larger, (by volume) bat 'ping' any differently to a smaller volume bat of the same weight?
Ie If there are 2 bats, each weighing say, 2lbs 10oz - Why should one bat with a lower density of wood, (which therefore has more volume), have a greater 'ping' than the other, smaller volume, bat? Is the desire for maximum volume purely a fashion/ mental thing, or does it impact on the performance of a bat?

Another approach to the same question - can you use the higher density clefts to produce a smaller volume bat (ie make them down to a more typical weight) and not sacrifice any 'pingability'?

Sorry, if that isn't very clear - it has been a very long work week!

With thanks,
David

Vitas Cricket · « **Reply #3 on:** June 27, 2014, 05:41:36 PM »

Quote from: leatherseat on June 27, 2014, 05:32:44 PM

Hi Paul,

Can I pick your brain with a question that has been going around my head for the past couple of weeks, on this topic?

I know people want the largest (by means of volume - cm3) bat for a given weight. But, assuming a similar moisture content, doesn't the weight reflect the amount of wood (fibres), rather better than the 'volume' of the bat does? Therefore, why should a larger, (by volume) bat 'ping' any differently to a smaller volume bat of the same weight?
Ie If there are 2 bats, each weighing say, 2lbs 10oz - Why should one bat with a lower density of wood, (which therefore has more volume), have a greater 'ping' than the other, smaller volume, bat? Is the desire for maximum volume purely a fashion/ mental thing, or does it impact on the performance of a bat?

Another approach to the same question - can you use the higher density clefts to produce a smaller volume bat (ie make them down to a more typical weight) and not sacrifice any 'pingability'?

Sorry, if that isn't very clear - it has been a very long work week!

With thanks,
David

In answer to the bold section, the lower density bat won't ping more, discounting variations in willow (it is a natural product) of course.

smilley792 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 27, 2014, 06:54:58 PM »

Ping is down to pressing surely

I lighter cleft to me means the weight can be distributed more. Creating better pick up, toe less likely to crack and no concave if you think that effects.

RossViper · « **Reply #5 on:** June 27, 2014, 09:29:04 PM »

I dont think the F = MA this is quite right, per say.

That is F = MA is correct, but it is not connected to volume,weight,performance triad in any way. Its true, but should not be interjected when thinking about why a high volume/low mass is "good".

We are of course assuming everything is equal in all other regards.

The reason people like "big volume/light weight" is that that type of willow will (generally, and by common consensus) performs better. In any given case, better means better than a same volume bat, with more mass, or a same mass bat with lower volume - this is also why F = MA is not quite the right answer... i think.

The reason why this is the case is basically because such bats have higher co-efficient of restitution, which means the ball bounces of them better - again better means v's a bat of the same volume, but more mass.

The real interesting question is why is this the case. I believe its just to do with the bit of wood, the structure of its fibers maybe, , but certainly pressing, drying, knocking in etc etc will have an impact.

Hope that makes sense.

tim2000s · « **Reply #6 on:** June 27, 2014, 10:56:10 PM »

Having done some tests on this, I am confident that the mass of the bat is more important than the pressing, but that the pressing, if done badly can have a disastrous effect on a bats performance.

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Aldred Cricket Bats · « **Reply #7 on:** June 28, 2014, 03:04:58 PM »

Ok here are two lovely big bats one supreme grade 1 2-12 weight and one gold sovereign grade 1 2-13 both 70mm spine heights and 40mm edges both pick up beautifully and ping like stink real guns. Will let these go out at �200 each just get in touch first come first serve like I say real bargains and only letting them go at this to get down some of the more dense clefts we tend to get left with at times because everyone wants the lightest ones so a chance to get your hands on a steal if you like a heavier bat

leatherseat · « **Reply #8 on:** July 01, 2014, 09:48:29 AM »

Beautiful bats, Paul and at a great price.

Thanks to the various considered, researched replies to my query. Phew.
So, in conclusion - leave it to the bat maker to get the combination of pressing, shape and size. Then choose the bat with the right pick-up (for you) and trust the ball/mallet response.
Et voila - so it was simple, after all?!

Best wishes,

David

Aldred Cricket Bats · « **Reply #9 on:** July 01, 2014, 10:34:07 AM »

Oh I am sure there is a hell of a lot of science there and I fully admit that I don't know about it, I grew up with old fashioned tradesman who knew what they knew and did the best job with their skilled hands using their acquired knowledge from their own research of making what they made, I work on that theory that I know what I know and I know that it works full stop.

Aldred Cricket Bats · « **Reply #10 on:** July 01, 2014, 02:00:52 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on June 27, 2014, 05:26:19 PM

any long blades in there?

If you want a long blade we can make one up just drop me an email aldred173@btinternet.com.

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