Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #45 on: November 04, 2014, 11:19:25 PM »

It's quite right some storm damaged batsdo get thru the grading and get sold as 'normal' bats
But it's not quite true to say they can't be spotted, it's a bit like a mechanic looking at a car to buy-you think it's great and a good deal,he is looking at something different and may well spot something you can't see
I went to Salix once to get a bargain bin bat and Andrew showed me what to look for on the bat in the storm damaged ones
I bought that bat but he told me it may not last very long.He was perfectly up front and I went away with more knowledge of what to look for than before.
If only I could do that with cars.
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Care to share what it was you were told to look out for??
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #46 on: November 04, 2014, 11:23:38 PM »

Yes I look across the grain of the bat mainly at the back to see if there are any 'wave like patterns'
If there are I put it back
Presuming im not looking at one as a second or sub standard bat of course.
It is a complete lottery,it could break first time out or last a season
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #47 on: November 04, 2014, 11:26:05 PM »

Wave like patterns across the grain,that's what he showed me
So when I'm buying a bat now that's what I look for-mainly at the bat
That may not be the only sign but that's the one I know
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #48 on: November 05, 2014, 10:15:00 AM »

This hand picked business is a load of rubbish makes no odds at all as you can only 100% like a bat if you choose it yourself, the best bat maker in the world could "hand pick" you a bat and it doesn't for one minute mean you will get on with it.

50% off a top end uk made bat you take a chance, it's not as cosmetically appealing as the one I got ( in my view) but I may not like how it feels and Chad could be same with mine. At that price mate I don't personally think it's that bad but for G1 top end others may disagree.

Load of rubbish or not, I don't recall seeing any threads like this about any hand-picked bats from us, Vitas or Uzi.  So, if nothing else, we spare forum members the time of putting up photos of a bat that doesn't look like the grade they ordered...

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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #49 on: November 05, 2014, 11:48:45 AM »

Load of rubbish or not, I don't recall seeing any threads like this about any hand-picked bats from us, Vitas or Uzi.  So, if nothing else, we spare forum members the time of putting up photos of a bat that doesn't look like the grade they ordered...

I look at the handpicking service as a 'quality control' aspect of buying a bat and certainly from my own purchases, Paul and Asad have proven to be excellent at picking a good one.

Not everyone is able to buy bats like Chad, Gingerbusiness and yourself Chris (that's not a dig by the way). To people who buy blind over the internet or have a limited budget and want to get value for money, I think handpicking is a great way to avoid a poor bat, especially to the uninitiated.
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #50 on: November 05, 2014, 12:10:45 PM »

Load of rubbish or not, I don't recall seeing any threads like this about any hand-picked bats from us, Vitas or Uzi.  So, if nothing else, we spare forum members the time of putting up photos of a bat that doesn't look like the grade they ordered...

As I said I get the fact that you will probably get a bat that looks good but performance and how the bat feels is impossible. Like Dave said when you visit the shop or maker yourself you "hand pick" yourself anyway so in my view and again only my view hand picking has no real benefit over just ordering online or blind.
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #51 on: November 05, 2014, 11:13:41 PM »

As we are on "hand-picked" motif, I wanted to share my observation.

As a buyer, if a retailer hand-picks it or not, it would be same for the buyer who is making a blind purchase as there are equal chances that he might not like what retailer have selected and vice versa.
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #52 on: November 06, 2014, 03:07:37 AM »

Flippin' heck, there's been quite some discussion on this topic! Still pretty much on topic, as the grading seems to be the biggest issue about this bat.

Here are examples of G1 bats, the first set are all top of the range, and by that, I mean the best grade offering:









The bronze Helios stickered one is a Bulldog, and the red one is a genuine Helios. Both from the same maker. The Mongoose is a B&S.

Oh, and almost forget this little gem:






Next up are also G1, but slightly lower:







The L&C is apparently a Millichamp and Hall. (Looks like the Amplus shape) Wouldn't be surprised if it was from their Storm Damage bin, however it may very well have been a top grade one. (Not quite clear, but it had a split and has been repaired, and repaired very well by an ex-forum member called Cameronpye94... He just sort of up and disappeared one day though... ;))
The B3 was a blank BAS.


My personal opinion on all these is that they all look pretty decent. If anything, the Lavers should be up there with the top end, they certainly look like they should be, and also because the Signature is so exclusive. I will say that if the Chase was a G1+, then my Laver is a G0+. The Bulldog is also a little ropey looking for what is a top grade. But essentially, they're all G1.

If Lords did hand pick their Chase bats, they would have picked this on pick up and balance. It really does feel beautiful in the hands. Oh, and with regards to Chase just stickering up premades with whatever grade will make them the most money, this FLC shape is exclusive to this one grade, from what I know, so this wouldn't have been the case with this particular one.


My view on handpicking? It does help if you're buying blind, to have someone help pick out something that you'll most likely be able to get along with, and will likely be pleased with. Thing you have to be aware of is that pick up and feel is based on senses that you can't communicate 100% effectively. You can say that you want a 10 grained bat, that's fine, just a matter of counting, as both you and the retailer should see the same number.

Back to the bats, out of these, which ones were handpicked? (For sure) The Mongoose stickered B&S, the B3 BAS, the SF Triumph and SS LEs.

Out of these, which ones did I pick up and have a swing with before purchasing? The SS LE and the Woodworm Torch. (Woodworm I picked because Pietersen used it)

Which have I scored my top 3 scores with? The SS LE (84 & 65) and the L&W Reserve (54ish). To be fair, I have 'only' used 6 of these in matches, but I scored the 65 with the SS in the very first use.

From experience, and concluding from the results, the best way to have your bat hand picked is to go and pick it out of a selection yourself. The SS I got wasn't picked out of a selection, but it just felt right, was lighter than what I was using, but was just right. Not to say that retailers hand picking doesn't have its benefits. If you cannot go to a store physically, then what hand picking does allow for is reassurance that you're not getting a plank, and, in most cases, if you specify what you want picked, you'll get a bat in the weight you desire.

Oh, also, in order for a bat to work best for you, you kind of have to use it a fair amount, look after it and not buy a bat everytime a sale/discount comes along. All great if you get a bat picked out which performs well and picks up well, but essentially, you're going to have to do the opposite of what I do...   I know, what a hypocrite... :-[
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #53 on: November 11, 2014, 12:25:23 PM »

How was that torch top of the range??  :o

Also good to see woodworm as I remember them, covered in cracks and liable to snap! I miss them (proper 2005 range, not the latest resurection attempt!)
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #54 on: November 11, 2014, 08:14:44 PM »

Those Lavers lower grade? Say Whaaaaat.
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #55 on: November 11, 2014, 10:42:46 PM »

How was that torch top of the range??  :o

Also good to see woodworm as I remember them, covered in cracks and liable to snap! I miss them (proper 2005 range, not the latest resurection attempt!)

I also had a Flame, which was also a lovely bat. It was pretty small for a 2.9, with a thin handly, but it went like a rocket too, with a mid placed swell. They were meant to have been made by Hunts, but I don't recall the Hunts bats I've seen being liable to snapping, so that is very odd to hear! Maybe it's just cause folk thought they were Pietersen, and toed a few more than they wanted to admit!

Those Lavers lower grade? Say Whaaaaat.

Well, the Reserve Grade, so not the highest. They should be in the same bracket as the top, (Sure as heck look as good, if not better) but I thought for the sake of grouping, they'd be grouped in with the lower side of G1. :)
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #56 on: November 11, 2014, 10:59:00 PM »

I also had a Flame, which was also a lovely bat. It was pretty small for a 2.9, with a thin handly, but it went like a rocket too, with a mid placed swell. They were meant to have been made by Hunts, but I don't recall the Hunts bats I've seen being liable to snapping, so that is very odd to hear! Maybe it's just cause folk thought they were Pietersen, and toed a few more than they wanted to admit!
The first item of kit I ever bought (well my parents bought for me) was a bat. A pioneer woodworm torch. Went into the shop clueless, explained to the bloke I was taking up cricket and wasn't sure what I needed. He told us what size I needed (Harrow at the time) and, on seeing the cleverly places display of Woodworm bats, I said "I want that yellow Kevin Pierersen one!"  The bloke then said what grade, we all looked blankly and he explained the difference to the non-cricketing people in front of him "lower grade = cheaper"
£40 of my parents money later I'm grinning ear to ear because I have a brand new bat. The bloke must have known between us we had no idea about oiling, knocking in or cricket in general (other than watching it on the telly for years) but he forgot to mention it.

Can't imagine I'm the only one to take up cricket following the 05 Ashes. and with the KP and Freddie factor woodworms were the bat to have. A load of clueless tools like me buying them probably didn't help the return rate.

Fastforward to now I'm a clueless tool with a lot of bats!
Still lack the talent to score any runs with them mind... Some things never change  :-[
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #57 on: November 11, 2014, 11:00:31 PM »

that argon chad......... omg
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