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Re: Future Of Cricket Bats
« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2016, 01:25:31 PM »

Surely the 'big bat' fashion sells bats?

No the fact certain brands have found the secret formula for making unbelievable bats that are as big as a 3lb but weigh 2lb10 and pick up like a harrow
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« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2016, 01:38:15 PM »

No the fact certain brands have found the secret formula for making unbelievable bats that are as big as a 3lb but weigh 2lb10 and pick up like a harrow

So you believe the size is a factor in making the ball go further /harder?
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Re: Future Of Cricket Bats
« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2016, 01:39:24 PM »


If some presented an intelligent argument as to why low density willow pings better, I might listen.

There are so many laws, that in isolation can predict what will produce the best performance. F=ma is a very rough basic one, the coefficient of restitution is another which would, very basically, categorise the response of a moving ball off a stationary bat. Without investigating it id assume crown willow would have a better CoR value and thus creates a better "ping" eg the ball naturally bounces further off the face of the bat. How or why is beyond my knowledge of willow however.


Creating an all encompassing theory / law is most definitely beyond my knowledge base.
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Re: Future Of Cricket Bats
« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2016, 01:42:42 PM »

There are so many laws, that in isolation can predict what will produce the best performance. F=ma is a very rough basic one, the coefficient of restitution is another which would, very basically, categorise the response of a moving ball off a stationary bat. Without investigating it id assume crown willow would have a better CoR value and thus creates a better "ping" eg the ball naturally bounces further off the face of the bat. How or why is beyond my knowledge of willow however.

I'll happily concede that I think Dr Bacon is way ahead of any of us on this kind of thing.
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Re: Future Of Cricket Bats
« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2016, 01:45:27 PM »

So you believe the size is a factor in making the ball go further /harder?

It helps but it's not as big a factor as people think

If it was the main factor all the pros would be using huge heavy bats but they don't

It's about finding the right weight/shape for you that makes you swing truer ie. Not too early or late

I found bigger bats slow my bat speed down so using slightly smaller profiled bats has helped
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Re: Future Of Cricket Bats
« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2016, 01:47:58 PM »

It helps but it's not as big a factor as people think

If it was the main factor all the pros would be using huge heavy bats but they don't

It's about finding the right weight/shape for you that makes you swing truer ie. Not too early or late

I found bigger bats slow my bat speed down so using slightly smaller profiled bats has helped

We are talking about volume, not weight!
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Re: Future Of Cricket Bats
« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2016, 01:56:27 PM »

So if weight and shape the same but volume different the bigger volume will fit the ball further you are saying?
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Re: Future Of Cricket Bats
« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2016, 01:57:45 PM »

A bigger bat will be stiffer if shaped right, which will provide better transfer of energy into the ball. Simple as that. How significant that is is very difficult to test.
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Re: Future Of Cricket Bats
« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2016, 02:15:13 PM »

A simple way to look at this is that Force = Mass x Acceleration is a way of saying "The heaviest mass you can swing at the fastest speed will produce the most force"

However, Cricket Bat performance is a culmination of many factors and size is perhaps the least important given that you are at the mercy of the limitations of the material.

An extremely stiff Cricket Bat would be phenomenally uncomfortable to use, there has to be balance.

There is no objective evidence to support the Big Bat Myth, it's all anecdotal. Even this can be undermined by a wealth of examples of small profiled Cricket Bats subjectively outperforming their larger counterparts.

Find a Cricket Bat that suits the way you play.
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Re: Future Of Cricket Bats
« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2016, 02:59:06 PM »

So if weight and shape the same but volume different the bigger volume will fit the ball further you are saying?

No, that's what edge (and everyone else?) is saying.
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Re: Future Of Cricket Bats
« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2016, 03:03:34 PM »

Hmmmmm

I tend to believe size of bat has nothing to do with how hard you hit the ball it's all about the swing

Volume will help with hitting the ball consistently as wider middle but I can't see how it affects power in the slightest

If you swing two bats of equal weight at same speed but different volume I can't see how they would be different

If different weight or different swing speed yes but not volume
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Re: Future Of Cricket Bats
« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2016, 03:06:56 PM »

Hmmmmm

I tend to believe size of bat has nothing to do with how hard you hit the ball it's all about the swing

Volume will help with hitting the ball consistently as wider middle but I can't see how it affects power in the slightest

If you swing two bats of equal weight at same speed but different volume I can't see how they would be different

If different weight or different swing speed yes but not volume

I'll leave the argument in your capable hands.
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