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[tim2000s]

As Ayrtek seem to be one of the companies that undertake proper rigourous testing, can you provide any insight into the differences between steel and Ti grills in terms of protection? Clearly Ti is significantly lighter, but is it more protective?

[Ayrtek Cricket]

We use grade 5 of titanium to make ours from which is sourced from a titanium manufacutrer who also make the grills for us.....as you are now becoming more aware of (hopefully) via this forum when brands claim to be using a material in their products it can be a diluted version of the particular "buzz" word that the consumers are drawn into.......carbon fibre...titanium.....graphite etc etc.

This is a point that I also had to explain to the England physoi as he was under the impression that steel was safer than titanium after some incidents they had seen. The problem was the ration of titanium being used within these grills was very low. A full titanium grille will offer much stronger resistanceto an impact as well as being significantly lighter....hence why you pay extra for a titanium grille comparred to a steel version.

Hope that makes sense

[tim2000s]

We use grade 5 of titanium to make ours from which is sourced from a titanium manufacutrer who also make the grills for us.....as you are now becoming more aware of (hopefully) via this forum when brands claim to be using a material in their products it can be a diluted version of the particular "buzz" word that the consumers are drawn into.......carbon fibre...titanium.....graphite etc etc.

This is a point that I also had to explain to the England physoi as he was under the impression that steel was safer than titanium after some incidents they had seen. The problem was the ration of titanium being used within these grills was very low. A full titanium grille will offer much stronger resistanceto an impact as well as being significantly lighter....hence why you pay extra for a titanium grille comparred to a steel version.

Hope that makes sense

I understand the issues, yes. Based on my understanding of the material properties, I would have expected the steel grill to bend more under impact while I would expect the titanium grill to transfer more of the energy into the helmet shell. I'd expect the result to be more risk of damage to the face from deformation of the grill + movement of the helmet on the head when compared to the Ti grill.

Is this fair? And anyone got an Albion Ti grill, as I'm an Ogre

[Ayrtek Cricket]

pic of a Steel grille from a infamous incident....ouchy!

[Colesy]

Daniel Flynn?

[Ayrtek Cricket]

[Colesy]

Wasn't Ponting's Vs. Harmison a steel grill too?

[jonpinson]

We use grade 5 of titanium to make ours from which is sourced from a titanium manufacutrer who also make the grills for us.....as you are now becoming more aware of (hopefully) via this forum when brands claim to be using a material in their products it can be a diluted version of the particular "buzz" word that the consumers are drawn into.......carbon fibre...titanium.....graphite etc etc.

This is a point that I also had to explain to the England physoi as he was under the impression that steel was safer than titanium after some incidents they had seen. The problem was the ration of titanium being used within these grills was very low. A full titanium grille will offer much stronger resistanceto an impact as well as being significantly lighter....hence why you pay extra for a titanium grille comparred to a steel version.

Hope that makes sense

So some companies offer a steel-Ti alloy effectively?

[Ayrtek Cricket]

Yeah it maybe a diluted version