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[Talisman]

I know when I nick one, I've never met a test player or below that was any different.

[art]

The "non walkers just leave a bad taste" is an interesting comment. Go back and read my previous post on this thread. How sure is everyone that the ball was hit?

If non walkers leave a bad taste then what about the team that constantly appeals for anything that looks close?

[Talisman]

Art, you must have played quite a bit, it must be more difficult to tell from 22 yards than with the bat in hand. Anyone telling you they did not nick it or did nick it when it is the other way round is either fibbing, not that good or maybe unsure but I've been playing senior cricket for 20 years and never once had a batsman nick it without knowing. I will say in your defense that your tracks are going to be quicker than ours without so much swing so it may be easier to spot.

Those that appeal for everything tend to get less, so some sort of justice there.

[art]

Welll be that as it may why pick on the batsman when fielders, especially those behind the wicket, in some teams have a habit of appealing for everything? Who is the bigger 'cheat' for want of a better word.

As for knowing when you hit it, I take it you don't play on very many flint hard wickets where the bat hitting the wicket can feel like ball on ball at times and sound like it?

[Talisman]

I don't have the joy of dry wickets here after our "summer", but have played on some very good ones including Sophia Gardens which will be hosting the Ashes this summer coming. The bottom of the bat can never feel like an edge, you might get Norb on here explaining the different drum like sounds to prove it. The only time I've really been unsure of something was taking a catch at second slip this year which I did not watch into the hand, I felt the ball hit the inside of my fingers which were resting on the grass. I did not have any doubt or hesitation that it was a simple catch but the keeper said in bounced just in front. I countered by saying that I felt downward force and the umpire was unsighted and the batsman stopped his walk and returned asking for the umpire to give it which he could not. I then spent the next 3 hours wondering as the opener who was captain also proceeded to add over 100 runs to his score at the time of 4. I thought I had it but the keeper swore blind it touched the grass.

[mrcricket2k8]

ive never walked i dont know why i always wait to see what the umpire says

[sultanofswing]

I think the problem is you quite often get sawn off by imcompetent umpires so why walk if the umpire doesnt give it? Theres alot of people who abuse you in league  cricket for not walking and then the self same people hit the case off it and stand there ground! I walk if i know i hit it, i walked for a caught and bowled last year which could have gone either way but then sometimes i genuinely dont know so let the umpire make the decision, from a personal point of view i seem to get crap umpiring decisions!

[art]

Oh and very competent umpires get bored watching incompetent crickets play the game and dislike incompetent cricketers tell them which way north is. I play the game ball by ball and don't care about attitude but there are umpires who are like many players who get uptight when they are tried by others. Perhaps your attitude sultan is getting in the way of your talent.

[E-Unit]

Art, how do you feel when a batsman walks when you havnt thought he was out?

[irwinster]

May be immoral but i dont walk.. i think for the times you are given out when your not evens itself out imo

[Talisman]

Its only very poor players that think umpires are very poor. We all think we know better but player judgment is clouded on the field. I umpired this summer at my old club and the bowler I have known since we were at the same primary school hit the batsman plumb in front and no one appealed. At the end of the over he asked was it close and I said plumb, he just shook his head as he thought it was missing leg, a case of not appealing enough.

[art]

Firstly irwinster it is not immoral not to walk, and neither is it immoral to appeal when things are close. What is immoral is to expect people to walk when you as a fielder believe they are out. What is immoral is to not accept the umpires decision immediately and that goes for both sides.

As ofr not appealing and what talisman says is interesting. Twice this season people have been out LBW, absolutely plumb and there was no appeal.

The first time with 9 down the batting team needed 71 to win. In the over were four shouts for LBW given not out (rightly so). But the third ball of the over struck the batsman on low the back pad, a straight one, in front of middle and off, slid off the pad onto the bat that was late and skidded to gully. I had the finger primed but no one appealed. Everyone, except the batsman and I, thought it hit the bat first. The team got the runs. I have a nice autograph collection of the 6 bermuda internationals who were on the losing side.

On Thursday a batsman was stuck on the backfoot by a full toss in front of middle. But his strange gyrations at the crease fooled just about everyone. No appeal expect two balls later when the keeper asked if he was out. Too late my friend.

I have from time to time called a batsman back when he thought he was out when it was my decision for my end and one of them was a high profile who thought he had hit it. He walked on appeal but I called him back, the opposing captain rather sheepishly rescinded the appeal as I called him back.

talisman makes the following excellent point "we all think we know better but player judgement is clouded on the field." Yesterday I watched the fielding team in grade cricket get suckered into absolute silliness by an ex Australian lady player. There was a master at work out there and after compiling 50 odd not out she won the batting, beat the bowling all ends up and had the fielders arguing amonst themselves at one point. This was a masterclass by a true professional player.

[Johnny]

I walk if I know I've hit it - Talisman, i think there can be instances when you're not sure. I had one last year, where I didn't walk as it didn't feel like I'd nicked it (my bat must have hit my pad at exactly the same time), but the umpire gave me, and the none strikler said there was definitely an edge.

My pet hate it players that don't walk, but also moan about bad decisions. In my book you can't do both. Take the rough with the smooth.

[stevie]

I don't walk and I don't expect anyone else to do it that I play against either.

[Marcussjd9]

I was slightly dishonest in my first post.
I walk if i edge it and there's an appeal, I do stand my ground if I feel i've edged it but nobody has appealed.