Topic: why are people so fussy??? (Read 4606 times)

Buzz · « **on:** April 11, 2011, 08:45:59 AM »

Ok - I have been on this forum for a while and I see people with lots of bats and people with one old favourite, and all the inbetweeners.

In my view there are 2 reasons why you want to buy a bat, one is to use it to score runs with and the other is to have it on display and to imagine how many runs you would score with it.

As most of the people on this forum are not pro's and will play around about 20 to 25 games a year why are we so fussy about these bats?

My experience is that if I practice really hard I will score runs and if I don't practice I may score runs, but mainly it just depends on whether I have a chance to play myself in or if I get a decent one/play a bad shot early, not what bat I am using � which has been anywhere from 2lbs 8 to 2lbs 13.

So my question is - in most cases we buy a bat we like the look of and use that as it give us confidence. But I have found that sometimes you will score more runs with a bat that you aren't sure about, but happens to suit your game better which, in my view, is the point of a custom made bat.

Which all eventually brings me to my point and questions - if you are ordering a custom made bat you, surely should say I play with this style and like these shots and the bat I have scored the most runs with is about 2lbs X please can you make me a bat that will suit that - here are some pics of my old bat - you can see the middle is here... rather than I want a bat with 15 grains, 40mm edges, 70 mm spine height, a slight bow and a phat toe that picks up like a 2lbs 2 bat.

We should then choose a bat maker who can make a bat to suit the way we play � we do need to trust that the bat maker will do that (and not just send you something in stock, unless it is perfect for you) � but that is why we choose a custom bat maker.

Personally, I think GM�s bat selector is the right thing to back up my argument � but how many people would choose the bat shape the selector comes up with over the one with the branding they prefer?

My view is that rather than being comically picky about the shape and edge size and all that � which people seem to be, for example moaning about the edge size on a Laver (I mean seriously � it wont make a difference if you are sitting in the pavilion out for 5 after making a wild heave at the ball and getting bowled) � we should just let the experienced bat maker do his job.

Talisman has a story about the guy who made/makes Stac bats � he made a bat for him and it really suited his game, but it wasn�t a shape he would have chosen.

Finally and coming to the end of this rambling commentary � why can�t we put more faith into the bat makers to do their job � rather than just telling them how we want our bats and then blaiming the bat makers because they can�t find the middle.

Oh and why do some may people have so many bats

!!!

I feel a bit like Jerry Maguire...

Canners · « **Reply #1 on:** April 11, 2011, 08:56:05 AM »

I agree totally.....

although i have also seen your specs/requirement sent to Saf and your pretty fussy yourself

Colesy · « **Reply #2 on:** April 11, 2011, 08:58:49 AM »

We like playing with wood....

I agree with the bit where you said sometimes we get on with a profile we don't like aesthetically as I had this case with my Purist II, not a shape I was massively fond of but I got a fair few runs with it. I plan to get a custom made bat around August (birthday) and was bored yesterday so replicated the shape of my first Ayrtek (on paint

) which I really like aesthetically and for the short time I had it, I got on really well with it. I, of course, will ask the opinions of the batmaker as they can offer advice which could benefit me.

I've never bought a bat on looks i.e. stickers with exception to my first bat but I've always gone in a shop looking to buy a bat that feels nice in the hands. I don't care whether my bat has 7 or 27 grains or a slight knot on the face, as long as it feels nice in my hands and goes reasonably well.

I only will have one bat for this coming season and that's down to a few reasons like money and practicality but I get on with my current bat perfectly fine, it just has this season left in it.

sgcricket · « **Reply #3 on:** April 11, 2011, 09:00:55 AM »

absolutely spot on. having read some of the posts on the last few days, it is always the same. and the best part is to find "fair" people moaning about a topic they have nothing whatsoever to do with.

FattusCattus · « **Reply #4 on:** April 11, 2011, 09:04:47 AM »

And why the obsession with size? Are we all hiding something?

Do we think opposing bowlers will be intimidated by the size of our massive weapons? No - most of them won't notice. At my level many of the boys with big bats have no technique and get out quickly. Many of us bowlers like nothing less than a hearty guffaw when the batter has a big swish and a miss with a bat that is too heavy for them.

procricket · « **Reply #5 on:** April 11, 2011, 09:08:12 AM »

Quote from: sgcricket on April 11, 2011, 09:00:55 AM

absolutely spot on. having read some of the posts on the last few days, it is always the same. and the best part is to find "fair" people moaning about a topic they have nothing whatsoever to do with.

that is the best post i have read for a while and agree.

mattw · « **Reply #6 on:** April 11, 2011, 09:09:13 AM »

I completely agree, my bat's aren't the biggest or the prettiest bats in the world and not the biggest bats in the world and that doesnt matter to me. However one thing I wanted them to do, is perform well.

Before I didn't know that much about bats and so forth I did buy bats because I liked the shape of them and I mostly thought I prefered bats with a low sweetspot, however since using bats with scuff sheets on I can really see where I usually hit the ball. Which has lead me to purchase a talisman fuji bat after knowing mike's bats perform I wanted something with a higher/longer middle than I had as I play a range of shots however I mostly hit the ball middleish on my bat.

I haven't even bothered to read any of these laver threads that keep popping up due to the reason is that I know what i'm going to get, someone complaining about their being one more grain than asked for or something like that.

When buying a bat in a retail shop it's quite imperative that you purchase something that looks nice grainwise in order think that it's going to perform very well and to get kudos from team mates. As you can have a little knock up with the bats in the shops and you get a bit of feel for a bat that you choose, however when you get it back home and test it properly it may not be the bat you thought you were buying in the shops. This is why I think some people are very picky over their bats on this forum and also to gain kudos on here with their 20 perfectly straight grains.

Out of the bats I have recently owned, the Warsop(stickered up as a solitaire after a slight refurb) was easily the best looking bat I owned, however it just didn't suit me which is why I decided to sell it. Now when I've had a go with my Talisman/Solitaire in the nets they suit me a lot better and in the future I'm going to do what you have explained by taking my bats in with me when I get a custom made bat to see what they think would suit me. With that I think that also gives them more satisfaction when making them as they know they have a challenge to make a bat that plays well for the person and not just satisfy aesthetically.

100 not out · « **Reply #7 on:** April 11, 2011, 09:12:29 AM »

Because for me knowing I've got a bat in my hands that will perform gives me confidence. As a batsman u only have one chance. I know my weight range and not fussed on edge size. Infact my reserve was a classic shape. You are right though I can't disagree but each to their own.

Buzz · « **Reply #8 on:** April 11, 2011, 09:13:08 AM »

Quote from: Canners on April 11, 2011, 08:56:05 AM

I agree totally.....

although i have also seen your specs/requirement sent to Saf and your pretty fussy yourself

that yes and know - apart from the handle, Andy told me the shape that would work based on my usual scoring shots, which I then wrote down.

I wouldn't want to be accused of hypocrisy !!

justnotcricket86 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 11, 2011, 09:13:14 AM »

The 2 bats I have purchased for this year, my 666 Monster and Hattori from H4L, didn't really have many specs. Just asked for the weight, shaped handle and middle location. The Monster has a higher middle for astro and bouncy pitches, and the Hattori low middle (these are Matt's stock shapes anyway) for pitches that are not as quick.

I have never been bothered about grains, don't even know what heartwood is and the size of the edges in mm didn't really occour to me. I have seen a lot of the Laver talk and I don't get it. I don't think my bats are going to help me average 40 this season, yes they are screamers, but it's down to my ability to middle it and play my shots.

There is nothing wrong with being a bat geek, but I do agree Buzz that some people are so so fussy with what they require. JP (jonpinson) recently made a point about some people going along with trends, trying to outdo eachother with equipment and knowledge etc. I don't care if my bat doesn't look as good as your 63 graniner, I am smacking a leather ball with it, not taking it for a meal

procricket · « **Reply #10 on:** April 11, 2011, 09:24:19 AM »

I sold a bat because in my eyes it was too big for the weight even though it was a cracker.

I like/dislike a bat on feel to be honest.

I asked for a shape from a batmaker they delivered yes it is not massive and that is why only 2 times ever have i gone into edge size because i was pissed of with people gloating on about it.

I'am not fussy about bats like iam softs there a different kettle of fish with my last bats from Laver i just sent pictures of my old trusty and hey presto with a few tweaks it the bloody same.

I think there 4 type on this forum the user who just plugs and plays,then there collectors who play who have masses of bats, then there the seller type, then the fussy bear.

My theory is i buy my bats not because of any kudos or anything because it gives me confidence and suits me.
I only sell bats that don't or i want a bat that will and want it more than the one i have.

The trends thing is a funny topic look at the people who so called followed the recent trend 3 of them have owned more bats than a shop so hardly a forum trend but that a different argument.

I may add when offered a bat from a cleft i do not look at any more than they show me i was offered a cleft and took it i have had mega grainer and not so mega and in the end found no difference at all.

A bat to me is to be used and abused not to be looked at

Canners · « **Reply #11 on:** April 11, 2011, 09:28:24 AM »

and tbh i dont think id have the balls to send a bat back, fair enough if i askeed for a 2.7 and a 3lber turned up...

rp27 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 11, 2011, 11:01:13 AM »

completely agree with this, my newbery, although not the prettiest, and not a massive bat, goes nicely and i love the feel of it, if i ever have a custom made i'll try and replicate it i think

Johng · « **Reply #13 on:** April 11, 2011, 11:14:36 AM »

People are so fussy because money is so hard to come by.

procricket · « **Reply #14 on:** April 11, 2011, 11:17:44 AM »

'Iam fussy because i sold 4 bats a ayrtek helmet 2 pairs of pads and gloves for my 2 bats.

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Buzz

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