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Re: Couple of questions/statements on bats, willow etc
« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2011, 02:23:07 AM »

Found this article thought it might be helpful so sharing with you guys

Is a grade 1 bat always better than a grade 2 which is better than a grade 3 etc?

The simple and to some surprising answer is NO. We are talking approximations, the physical appearance between a low end grade 1 and high end grade 2 bat can be very similar and it is hard to tell which one will be best. The willow is only the starting raw material - the skill of the bat maker makes a huge difference to how a cleft of wood performs.  Some clefts that look to be lower grade perform better than those that look better, performance also changes over time. Most clefts tend to get a bit better with age as they settle into their job, then as they get too old they tend to dry out, start to crack and loose the springyness that creates a good bat - this is normal and expected - no bat lasts forever. Some blades also perform better in different areas, most bats will perform if you time the ball out of the middle, thats how they are designed, some however give better rebound higher up the blade, or lower down the blade or can be more forgiving and responsive to edges and mistimed shots - this can be a result of the profile or just the natural variation of the wood.

  So in summary, by buying a higher grade bat you expect and would normally get a better performing bat (from within a manufacturers range), but not always and this does not constitute a fault, this is down to natural variation. Higher grade bats cost more to buy and grading is done on appearance by most systems. The skill of the bat maker is just as important as the appearance of the wood, each maker has their own skills, their own equipment and methods of pressing the bats to create what they believe is the optimal product. The real skill comes in the retailer and the purchaser matching those specifics to the player, and thats how you will get the best bat for you.
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Re: Couple of questions/statements on bats, willow etc
« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2011, 06:46:19 AM »

It is a piece of piss.

You know that stuff you can buy from the supermarket to spray onto carpet stains?

It turns white and powdery and sits on your carpet - when you vacuum it away, your carpet stains have been removed.

Well...you can spray it onto your willow - leave it over night, then wipe/dust it off and WHALLA - your willow looks whiter than ever and sensational.

WARNING: Cover your bat stickers with masking tape as it can bleach them too!

Also, never spray directly onto the splice as it may loosen glue.

I do it all the time and my older bats are rejuvenated.


This is gold! Anyone got a before and after?
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Re: Couple of questions/statements on bats, willow etc
« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2011, 08:34:22 AM »


This is gold! Anyone got a before and after?

Gold perhaps but this is the kind of thing which is ripping thousands of people off in the world! Appauling imo!
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Re: Couple of questions/statements on bats, willow etc
« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2011, 09:01:08 AM »

if used for financial gain then yes i agree it is appauling but if its just to tart up an old bat for yourself it cant be that bad can it?
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Re: Couple of questions/statements on bats, willow etc
« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2011, 09:11:28 AM »

Very good point mate I should have said that.
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Re: Couple of questions/statements on bats, willow etc
« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2011, 10:47:05 AM »

You guys are a bunch of sad sacks!

Also, you cannot spell either.

"APPALLING"

ap·pall·ing/əˈpôliNG/
Adjective: Awful; terrible.

I like my bats to look white and new at all times - so I sand ball stains off the edges and I cover the full face with extratec, so I can peel it off and change it a couple of times a season so my bats always look new.

What the hell is wrong with that?

The only thing appalling is your judgmental attitude.  :(
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Re: Couple of questions/statements on bats, willow etc
« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2011, 11:01:29 AM »

You guys are a bunch of sad sacks!

Also, you cannot spell either.

"APPALLING"

ap·pall·ing/əˈpôliNG/
Adjective: Awful; terrible.

I like my bats to look white and new at all times - so I sand ball stains off the edges and I cover the full face with extratec, so I can peel it off and change it a couple of times a season so my bats always look new.

What the hell is wrong with that?

The only thing appalling is your judgmental attitude.  :(

Forgive me for possibly asking a stupid question but how on earth did you discover that Shake and Vac works?
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Re: Couple of questions/statements on bats, willow etc
« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2011, 11:05:07 AM »

Must of been a Kim & Aggie moment.
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Re: Couple of questions/statements on bats, willow etc
« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2011, 11:08:21 AM »

I like to think he was too lazy to remove a bat from the floor before cleaning his carpet!  :D
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Re: Couple of questions/statements on bats, willow etc
« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2011, 01:12:23 PM »

That's kind of a cynical view JP and I'm hoping that at least 1 of the bat makers on here would be willing to give us all an insight as to the "kinds of things" they use to measure their grading I'm not expecting them to reveal any Magicians circle stuff here but I think it would be interesting to get a smaller brands view on it as I personally feel from experience that a lower grade custom made bat from a boutique company tends to be of a higher quality than those of the equivalent larger brands offerings.

I would especially believe that one of our illustrious brands on here would like to retort your slanderous comments RE: upgrading willow due to amount of stock!!?  :D :D

Cynical perhaps, but only born out of reading a fair bit of nonsense and contradiction both here and elsewhere. The ones that make me laugh are the makers who proudly state they only grade on performance, then they bring out a model which carries a premium because it is pretty.

'Upgrading' (good word) does go on, we have seen it here quite recently. Although no one would ever admit to it. If you as a batmaker buy in 500 clefts a year for instance, of which say 25 are what you would normally reserve for your very top models and then you suddenly get a rush of orders for 40 of them, what can you do? All of a sudden you start seeing people receiving bats that are stickered up as a higher grade than the willow really deserves.

I'm not for a moment saying they all do it, indeed I know some makers here who will tell the customer that they cannot provide them with a top grade bat as they do not have a suitable piece of willow for them. That of course is the right thing to do, but it must be very tempting to pass some lower grade stuff as higher grade and increase the profit margins a bit.

We have in the past attempted to ask batmakers questions about certain aspects and the silence has been deafening. Don't expect a response on this one either.

As for my 'slanderous' comments, get a life.
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Re: Couple of questions/statements on bats, willow etc
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2011, 02:48:39 PM »

Forgive me for possibly asking a stupid question but how on earth did you discover that Shake and Vac works?


Actually, the hint came from YOU guys!

I kept reading on this and other bat forums about sinister bat companies bleaching willow.

I would read advertisements "Grade 3 Unbleached English Willow.." and I would think to myself "you can bleach willow??"

So I used regular bleach which I borrowed from the laundry and rubbed it into the bat....but nothing.

I then kept thinking - how the hell do they do it???

I then remembered that carpet stain remover lifts stains out of carpet and if left on too long, starts to bleach the carpet. So I thought I would give it a try.

I sprayed a bat...left it on over night. The next day I wiped off the spray which turns to white powder pretty quickly with a dry cloth...and whaddya know??? The willow is bleached to a lovely whitish colour!!!

Have a look at my bats in the pics in the link below:

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=9914.0

WIth the exception of the LH GM ICON LE, the rest of the bats are two years old and have seen heavy use - but looking at those pics, you would never know it.

So refurbing a bat is relatively simple, you just need some Aussie native cunning!
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Re: Couple of questions/statements on bats, willow etc
« Reply #41 on: September 04, 2011, 09:43:51 AM »

Hi all,

Can anyone help me. I saw someone posted earlier about v1.1 and v.3 stickers. I have just sold a pellara on ebay presuming that the v1.1 i had was brand new and 2011 (given to me to auction off for charity).

The guy who bought it insists that v1.1 was 2010 and v.3 is the 2011 bat.

Anyone know if this is correct?

Thanks

Graham
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Re: Couple of questions/statements on bats, willow etc
« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2011, 12:12:48 PM »

It was probably brand new, but v3.0 denotes 2011 and v1.1 is 2010 edition.
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Re: Couple of questions/statements on bats, willow etc
« Reply #43 on: September 04, 2011, 02:29:38 PM »

ah ok thanks. any idea what a pellara v1.1 would be worth?
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Re: Couple of questions/statements on bats, willow etc
« Reply #44 on: September 04, 2011, 04:06:54 PM »

The ECB shops sold the county edition ones off at £40 each about three or four months back.
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