Topic: Laminates (Read 23902 times)

jonpinson · « **Reply #120 on:** July 22, 2011, 07:11:57 PM »

Quote from: Simmy on July 22, 2011, 02:40:12 PM

biggest load of (No Swearing Please) i have ever heard.

i AM SO SICK OF THIS PRO SPEC CLEFT BAT (No Swearing Please)!

they dont get bats any better than the rest of us! maybe they get a lower desity cleft at a push but many of us have them as well,

all bull (No Swearing Please).

the tk lams have amazing performance! but my 3.2 destinction has better middle than the lam. it is not a pro spec bat its just a big bat

It is one of the million or so phrases that get banded around by people trying to sell bats to us. It is also a topic that has been discussed ad nauseum here. Even big producers like GN have got so wrapped up in this pro bat nonsense that their range is confused. They produce 'limited edition' grade as well as 'pro performance' grade. Someone please tell me the difference, or which is 'better'. I bet the answer from GN would be contradictory. Now of course we are told that the England captain has suddenly become an expert in selecting willow, so much so indeed that we are invited to pay �1000 for his expert eye.

I must admit that pair of Black Cat 'pro' bats made me giggle. Priced higher than most because they had been offered to, and rejected by several well known pros. Probably the worst looking BC bats I've yet seen, grain wise at least. But add that 'pro' moniker and folks will fight for them. They were sold as special because they were supposedly big for their weight (low density in not so many words), but frankly these days if you want a big light bat, buy just about anything made in Pakistan. Huge, huge bats. And please, don't try and argue that there is a difference - of course there is, but it isn't one that should logically make one 3 times as expensive...

roco · « **Reply #121 on:** July 22, 2011, 07:17:17 PM »

Having used a tk lam I can't say the middle was noticeably (sorry about the spelling Jon) better than my other bats I've had I have found after a bat is "grade 1/a" there's not much difference in performance other than form just in pick up due to the skill of the maker/quality of the machine

as most are pressed in the same place or by someone that knows what there doing hopefully

roco · « **Reply #122 on:** July 22, 2011, 07:24:30 PM »

No it's just I thought I may have spelt it wrong and you seem to be an articulate chap

No offence was intended sorry

jonpinson · « **Reply #123 on:** July 22, 2011, 07:26:39 PM »

Quote from: roco on July 22, 2011, 07:24:30 PM

No it's just I thought I may have spelt it wrong and you seem to be an articulate chap

No offence was intended sorry

Removed, sorry chap. Compleet misinturpritashun.

roco · « **Reply #124 on:** July 22, 2011, 07:32:10 PM »

It's all good no harm done as I tend to agree with you over the whole "pro bat" thing as too many get sucked in when I was told by a person who seemed to know his stuff you can get the over dried/artificial low density thing by sticking your bat in the airing cupboard so as to loose ounces but keep the size

I tend to think it's the bloke using it that makes the difference

procricket · « **Reply #125 on:** July 22, 2011, 07:45:34 PM »

too right roco

although the air dried technology or airing cupboard does work and works well i think i have perfected it now.

But all in all it not the bat it the player

bats are a tool but the batsman is the tradesman

Laminates seen a few never seen the point

Black Cat Cricket · « **Reply #126 on:** July 22, 2011, 09:19:05 PM »

Quote from: jonpinson on July 22, 2011, 07:11:57 PM

I must admit that pair of Black Cat 'pro' bats made me giggle. Priced higher than most because they had been offered to, and rejected by several well known pros.

Think I said quite clearly recently somewhere that they weren't rejected, they were in fact very popular, but the players weren't going to play �300+.

Had you seen the bats in the flesh yourself and formed your opinion based on that, I'd accept it. You haven't, and have therefore you are talking complete rubbish.

Yes the area of pro/players bats is a grey area, I have sold 'standard' bats to professional players to sticker up. However the general consensus is that a pro/players bat is one that is very big for the weight, and one that 'pings' very well, but may not last as long. If you're seriously telling me there's no difference between these and a standard bat performance wise, then you must never have seen or played with one!

That said, my point on such bats is this: most people don't actually want one. You buy such a bat in full knowledge that it will go like an absolute rocket, but if you play a fair bit of cricket, it might last you a third or a half of a season. Not many people are happy with spending very good money on a bat that will last them 700 odd runs, and rightly so.

Tom · « **Reply #127 on:** July 22, 2011, 09:30:30 PM »

Interesting post Charlie. So pros have bought a standard 'shop' bat at what I presume was �240, but aren't willing to pay the extra �60 for a pro bat. How much better were they?

Black Cat Cricket · « **Reply #128 on:** July 22, 2011, 10:17:43 PM »

Quote from: Tom on July 22, 2011, 09:30:30 PM

Interesting post Charlie. So pros have bought a standard 'shop' bat at what I presume was �240, but aren't willing to pay the extra �60 for a pro bat. How much better were they?

There have been instances where players have bought bats that one wouldn't class as a 'pro bat' but they've been more than happy with it as it has still been miles better than what their sponsor has given them. I do not charge full price to players as they tend to buy 5/6 a season, amongst many other reasons. One such reason is if you support a team and one of their main players needs a good bat, then you'd do your best to help him out. A bit like a Liverpool cabbie who would probably drive Steven Gerrard for free to a game, yet would charge full price to a punter...

Tom · « **Reply #129 on:** July 22, 2011, 10:22:41 PM »

I presume from that you also offered the 'pro' bat out too, at a discounted price? If so why didn't they take it?

Black Cat Cricket · « **Reply #130 on:** July 22, 2011, 10:42:16 PM »

Quote from: Tom on July 22, 2011, 10:22:41 PM

I presume from that you also offered the 'pro' bat out too, at a discounted price? If so why didn't they take it?

Crikey you want an argument tonight. You're not going to get one from me, it's not my ideal way of spending a Friday night arguing on an online forum...

The player I promised some bats to loved them but they were too light for him. His teammates were very interested, but I told them I'd get in touch if it was available after putting them up for sale here.

Tom · « **Reply #131 on:** July 22, 2011, 10:44:29 PM »

I'm only questioning you because none of your stories add up!

petehosk · « **Reply #132 on:** July 22, 2011, 10:45:50 PM »

Tom often seems to try and bait people into arguments these days!
Obviously his pubity hormones are kicking in! He'll be shaving next!

Black Cat Cricket · « **Reply #133 on:** July 22, 2011, 10:46:15 PM »

Seems as if you're questioning me because you have nothing better to do, to be honest.

tim2000s · « **Reply #134 on:** July 22, 2011, 10:46:58 PM »

Feeling a bit like handbags at dawn, this conversation...

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