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And I'll admit, I'm no shining light. I've unintentionally commissioned illegal bats to be made and seen them used in professional matches.

were these Mongoose bats?

[Tom]

I won't comment on what they were. But they were used and once I'd realised the mistake, spent the next week travelling around making them legal. They weren't performance improving and it was a small technicality, but they were illegal under Law 6 nevertheless.

[Colesy]

We all know they are illegal. In people's eyes who is worse; the players who use the bats or the batmakers who make them?

Players. It's cheating

[jonpinson]

Something doesn't make sense to me in all this. TK is without doubt one of the most highly respected and well thought of batmakers around, yet that he makes lams is the worst kept secret. I wonder why a man with his skill and reputation would create these things which, as has been proven in this thread, can potentially create such ill feeling?

It would fit better if a batmaker of poor reputation was making them, not someone of Keeley's stature.

I just don't see the point of them. They are expensive, they are illegal in 90% of games if you go by the book and to me they should be nothing more than a novelty to be used in nets.

[Canners]

outside of this forum, how many people do you think actually know about laminates....

i can safely say i dont think i know a cricketer outside this forum that knows who Tim keeley is let alone a laminate...

I still want one tho

[Simmy]

i agree with canners!
10% of the cricket comunity will probs know what they are

people on the forum and some batmakers

[jonpinson]

i agree with canners!
10% of the cricket comunity will probs know what they are

people on the forum and some batmakers

It is fair to say that someone using one at the level the majority of us play is never really going to be an issue, but the concern is that they are being used at higher levels. It just seems like Mr Keeley stands to lose an awful lot comparative to what he could ever gain from making these bats.

Although TK lams are the ones most frequently mentioned, it makes me wonder if anyone else is making them too.

[Canners]

if anyone can get me one 2.9 finished with a low middle please be so kind to let me know

[Simmy]

i can get some weight taken of mine

[Canners]

id need half the bat removed to use one of your monsters, or a bit more time spent in the gym lol

[Simmy]

2.11 to 2.9 lol its only big more concaving lol

[Number4]

Something doesn't make sense to me in all this. TK is without doubt one of the most highly respected and well thought of batmakers around, yet that he makes lams is the worst kept secret. I wonder why a man with his skill and reputation would create these things which, as has been proven in this thread, can potentially create such ill feeling?

It would fit better if a batmaker of poor reputation was making them, not someone of Keeley's stature.

I just don't see the point of them. They are expensive, they are illegal in 90% of games if you go by the book and to me they should be nothing more than a novelty to be used in nets.

This is exactly what I don't understand as well jon... What I was trying to get at in a roundabout sort of way

[Vic Nicholas]

You guys are sooo naive.

The authorities KNOW that lams are being used by many international players.

Yet they nod and wink and  tolerate it.

Why?

Because of more sixes.

More sixes look good on TV and attract bigger crowds through the turnstiles...which equals more $$$.

Besides, the Indian players love their lams.

Do you think the BCCI...errr, the ICC will enforce their hypocritical ban?

Don't hold your breathe.

[Tom]

Sorry Vic. I disagree. They're not tough enough, but they by no means allow it.

That comes from experience, I had 3 meetings along with a warning from the ECB and MCC after a player used one of my bats which was illegal in nets and was caught. We had to prove the remaining of the shop bats were legal.

[peplow]

you must be "sooo naive" then tom