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there was a photo floating around on the forum of harbajan singh clearly using a laminate during the test series this summer and yet we haven't heard a pip about it from the ICC, confirming Vic's point in a way.

What photo? Get it up

[bigboy]

Actually hypocrites like you.

When they remove all of Graham Gooch's records of that golden summer where he annihilated the Indians with a lam and made triple centuries etc - then you might have a case.

But that isn't going to happen is it?

Lams should just be legalized because presently, it is a sham.

The ENTIRE Indian top order use them.

Pretty much the same applies to the English and Australian top orders.

TK keeps churning these out BECAUSE YOUR ENGLISH BORN COUNTY PROS LUST AFTER THEM.

Some of your most beloved English batsmen of the very recent past also used them and still use them in semi retirement flaying County attacks.

Would you like to see their impressive test records carry an asterisk because they used these bats?

Apparently, none of that bothers you - so why should the use of these lams by forum members in irrelevent C grade competitions concern you?

I have never used one so not sure how you can call me a hypocryte? I also have never liked the excuse of someone else doing the wrong thing to justify doing the wrong thing myself. These are also massive claims you are making about these players, I hope you can produce evidence if it ever blows up in your face, it sounds like you have fallen for the tripe of a salesman about the importance of your bat. I will be sending off an en mail to the relevent associations in Victoria informing them of your and the apparent widespread use of these bats. Why bother with any laws if you are just going to pick and choose which to follow?

[bigboy]

I am australian by the way Vic, and reading the bit about the aussie top order using them confirms to me you are cluless.

[Buzz]

In the recent tour the umpires when into the dressing rooms and told them to use legal bats, it was followed up be an edict from the MCC along these lines.
So the answer is none of the players in the recent series were using laminates.
TK doesn't make laminates for Aussie players (!!) apparently.

Goochie did use a lam for that summer against Indian and several of the Eng players have reportly used them, but umpires are stamping it out now.

Plus modern bats are so good now, I really don't think a lam will make that much difference.

[langer17]

In the recent tour the umpires when into the dressing rooms and told them to use legal bats, it was followed up be an edict from the MCC along these lines.
So the answer is none of the players in the recent series were using laminates.
TK doesn't make laminates for Aussie players (!!) apparently.

Goochie did use a lam for that summer against Indian and several of the Eng players have reportly used them, but umpires are stamping it out now.

Plus modern bats are so good now, I really don't think a lam will make that much difference.

If he made some lam's for Aussie players then they musn't be using them right, ahaha

[Tom]

They do.

They are.

Don't kid yourself otherwise.

Ive been in county dressing rooms, supplied Trescothick, Hayden, Symonds, Laxman and more. Not once have I supplied or seen a laminate. So who's using them? Who's supplying them?

[roco]

I had a tk lam and the Perfromance was not overly noticeable from my lavers if I'm honest

[Tom]

There is NO risk what-so-ever.

The ICC knows they exist.

The BCCI controls the ICC like puppeteers.

If the ban was strictly enforced by the IC...errr, I mean BCCI, there would be a massive outcry of Indian players threatening to throw their toys out of the pram. Not to mention that the IPL would have half as many sixes.

Sixes look great on TV - ergo, the IC...errr, BCCI will never act against something detrimental to their interests.

They are here to stay...and in the not too distant future, legal too.

The MCC are the rulemakers. They're the ones you're up in front if you make illegal bats.

I know, i've been dragged up to the Chief Execs office to explain myself.

[Buzz]

just being massively pedantic on this, the mcc keep the laws. the rules and playing conditions are within the confines of the icc.

not sure I want to be hauled up to the mcc secretary's office any time soon!

[Tom]

Well the MCC are the ones who do the laws on bats. They also often send out a representative to tournaments who knows their onions to check bats and work alongside the on field ICC umpires. Which is how I got caught...

[100 not out]

Tom do you think these bats perform better than a one piece bat? Use is illegal no doubt. I am merely enquiring about the performance gains if any. In your time involved in cricket, were you ever requested for one? Not asking for names.

[Number4]

just being massively pedantic on this, the mcc keep the laws. the rules and playing conditions are within the confines of the icc.

not sure I want to be hauled up to the mcc secretary's office any time soon!

Depends on what the secretary looks like Buzz

[Buzz]

Depends on what the secretary looks like Buzz

usually old and male.

and nothing like this: http://www.secretarythemovie.co.uk/html/home.html

[Tom]

Tom do you think these bats perform better than a one piece bat? Use is illegal no doubt. I am merely enquiring about the performance gains if any. In your time involved in cricket, were you ever requested for one? Not asking for names.

I've never used one, so can't possibly comment. And no, I wasn't. Which given the fact I supplied 40+ pros and the way Vic has said it's so widespread is surprising.

Every team looks at each others bats, the amount of times I got asked to copy Ramprakash's or another county pros they'd seen was staggering. You're telling me that if these boys saw a laminate being used against them, they wouldn't report it?

[100 not out]

Fair enough.