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[roco]

That's a different type of lam

[jonpinson]

it occurred to me this evening that the person who said the most people used laminate bats and said they were the best thing, just happened to be the person who sold the most if them.
just thinking out loud after a beer or two, mind.

I said the same above. Strange that.

[Opener]

In Pakistan I know for a fact that laminated bats are cheaper than regular bats. But the mystical, elusive player edition laminated bat....

[100 not out]

The question here is that do they provide an advantage?

[Vic Nicholas]

I am australian by the way Vic, and reading the bit about the aussie top order using them confirms to me you are cluless.

No.

Just confirms that your myopic patriotism cannot handle the fact that Aussies would use these things.

Typical Aussie attitude sadly...everybody else in the world cheats, but never us.

Grab a hold of Punters 2005 Ashes bat.

Watch that (No Swearing Please) sandwich blow up in your face.

[Six Sixes Cricket]

Just goes to prove, cheats never prosper.

[Vic Nicholas]

Kinda also begs the question why they made them illegal in the first place.

Why?

I will tell you why.

When Gooch plundered 1,000 test runs in one golden summer, the Indians complained LOUDLY about his bat and that it should be illegal.

The ICC dutifully made it happen.


Then Indian players being curious started to ask bat makers in their country to make them one as well....and it spun off from there.

[Tom]

Vic - who has a say in the legality of the bat? Who are the lawmakers?

[Vic Nicholas]

Just goes to prove, cheats never prosper.

Hate to break it to you, but English players have been known to use them too...as well as mints to put sugar on one side of the ball etc.

Wasn't "fair cheating all round" an English concept?

[Vic Nicholas]

Vic - who has a say in the legality of the bat? Who are the lawmakers?

BCCI > ICC > MCC > flow on to everybody else.

That is the heirarchy.

[Tom]

Haha. Have you gone a little mad?

[Vic Nicholas]

I have never used one so not sure how you can call me a hypocryte? I also have never liked the excuse of someone else doing the wrong thing to justify doing the wrong thing myself. These are also massive claims you are making about these players, I hope you can produce evidence if it ever blows up in your face, it sounds like you have fallen for the tripe of a salesman about the importance of your bat. I will be sending off an en mail to the relevent associations in Victoria informing them of your and the apparent widespread use of these bats. Why bother with any laws if you are just going to pick and choose which to follow?

I have not named any single player - so I haven't defamed anybody.

Hence, I cannot be sued by anybody.

I do not need to prove that they are using them any more than you need to prove that they are NOT using them.

And if by happenstance I get tapped on the shoulder by anyone in my association to stop using my bat I shall formally request that every bowler with a suspect action (every team has at least one) in my comp be immediately removed from participating in weekend park cricket.

Quid Pro Quo.

Neither will happen cause it simply isn't worth it.

My Mark Taveresque batting is highly unlikely to draw any complaints about a bat that allows me to hit the ball a meter further than my shadow.

Best of luck with your crusade.

[Tom]

I have not named any single player - so I haven't defamed anybody.

Hence, I cannot be sued by anybody.

Okay - if you're so well informed and know that players are using illegal bats. Then name them. You can't be sued if it's the truth. Or are you relying on pure hearsay from the esteemed lam bat seller?

[bigboy]

Vic, you seemed a reasonably well balanced sort of chap before these ramblings, the fact remains you are cheating by using the bat, regardless of who else does what, if you can live with it then thats all that matters I guess, maybe it's a trait suited to your profession?

Does it bother the moderators here that a poster is accusing the Australian, English and the Indian top order of cheating without any proof?  I have infact visited Kookaburra in melbourne numerous times and have seen all the Kooka guys bats, including quite a few of the older ones on display, none were laminates, nor are the Gray's or Slaz players.

[petehosk]

Big boy - from my point of view, I have a bat made for Afridi and one for Tendulkar which are Lams. I'm not saying for one minute that they wanted them made for matches - they may have asked to try one out as they seem to practice most days in the nets (lucky boys!)
So although I very much doubt that it's as wide spread as claimed, everyone is entitled to speculate as to how widespread it is! I am sure that 90% of players have tried them out in the nets at some point to see how they go, but how many have used one in a match would be pure speculation! And although Tom seems to indicate that everyone is holier than thou, I personally suspect that there are a number of players who have (at one time or another) used something bordering on illegal! I have no proof of this, and there is no real proof that some players have not used a lam at one time or another! So from omy point of view I am happy to let the conversation continue as long as it stays reasonably polite!!
Not sure what the other mods/admin think?