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If you could only have one as having both is a rarity which one and why??

[tim2000s]

If you could only have one as having both is a rarity which one and why??

Very grainy bats tend to be more dense, hence you get both. Is that what you are after?

[kaustav]

OK--educate me: more the density less the weight? TIA.

[tim2000s]

OK--educate me: more the density less the weight? TIA.

Density is the mass/unit of volume. Two bats have a 50mm spine and 35mm edges and are shaped the same. One weighs 3lb, the other 2lb 9oz. The lighter bat is less dense, or has a lower density.

[gabbers]

Probably density.

[kaustav]

And hence the term low density cleft; gotcha 

[100 not out]

I have amended the thread title to avoid confusion. What I mean is having nice looking grains and low density willow is rare. Some low density willow will be "ugly" cosmetically speaking. Given the choice, what do you go for . A nicer looking bat which does not have a large profile or an uglier one that does ?

[kaustav]

So is it taken for granted that low density clefts will not have a good grain structure? Quite interesting to the effect that if one looks at the TRD he might be a little flummoxed.

[Alvaro]

Edges that are too big change the way I bat and when using my mate's jumbo CA I'd find myself going across the line more. So, as i am happier playing with about 30mm edges tops, and as long as there was a spare in my bag, in this case I would go for grains.
Perhaps another reason for my decision is that none of my bats are particularly good looking, so it would make a nice change . 

[roco]

Well bats are for hitting a ball so whichever helps me do that better

[PedalsMcgrew]

So is it taken for granted that low density clefts will not have a good grain structure? Quite interesting to the effect that if one looks at the TRD he might be a little flummoxed.

In general low density clefts have less grains. They don't look worse, it's personal preference I guess. But they do have less grains.

Most asian bats are overdried hence the big profiles available. There are only a very limited number of truly low density clefts available each season so mass producers of bats would never ever base a model on the availability of such clefts as they would probably only be able to turn out 20 if they're lucky!

[kaustav]

In general low density clefts have less grains. They don't look worse, it's personal preference I guess. But they do have less grains.

Most asian bats are overdried hence the big profiles available. There are only a very limited number of truly low density clefts available each season so mass producers of bats would never ever base a model on the availability of such clefts as they would probably only be able to turn out 20 if they're lucky!

Thanks mate; but I probably will not say that most Asian bats are overdried though. Some yes, most: no.

[PedalsMcgrew]

If it's a big profile and it's Asian and you're buying it off the shelf then it's almost certainly overdried. It's the way they make bats. Nothing wrong with it but it's highly unlikely to be made from a low density cleft seeing as how only a tiny percentage of willow clefts have truly low density and they are often the ones filtered out for sponsored players etc...

[kaustav]

Hmmm....I do understand where you are coming from; and some of these bats, specially the Pakistani ones do have quite big profiles; but even those are not always overdried; me and my friend have done moisture readings on these and not all of them have come out with bad readings; in fact the TRD, the one with the biggest profile and wonderful grain structure has got the best reading while others like the Bubber Sher or a CA 12000 had lower readings. Anyway this has been a continuing debate for sometime now 

[Canners]

Low density every time......

Looks don't equal performance