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[Vic Nicholas]

we dont want them their all crap

oh and whos this jonny so and so from lancs?
im intrigued

Nice try.

[Joe]

we dont want them their all crap

oh and whos this jonny so and so from lancs?
im intrigued

They're not all crap.


James Pattinson probably wouldn't get into the current England side, and Shaun Tait would have struggled to get a place in his day, but Michael Slater would've walked into the England side when he played, as would Stuart Clark.

[ajm90]

Just a shame Donald Bradman didnt think of his English grandfather before choosing to play for Australia

[Vic Nicholas]

They're not all crap.


James Pattinson probably wouldn't get into the current England side, and Shaun Tait would have struggled to get a place in his day, but Michael Slater would've walked into the England side when he played, as would Stuart Clark.

Agree.

However, with Anderson, Tremlett etc already 30 - Pattinson would be getting a taste by now if he had wanted to play for his parents former homeland.

He wouldn't be a regular, but he would be on the radar.

[Vic Nicholas]

An article that states the bleedingly obvious, but interesting none the less.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/sportsday-how-to-defeat-the-poms/story-fn6ck6i3-1226237754232

For the record, as I have stated here many times before, I do not believe that Australia will be ready to win the 2013 Ashes as eighteen months is too soon to rebuild an entire top six.

[Manormanic]

Most of that is common sense really, save the point about Watson being banned from bowling - I don't personally think his conversion rate and recent form are good enough that he should be keeping a younger player out of the side if playing as a batsman alone, whilst his bowling is a genuine weapon to add to the Aussie arsenal.

Gut instinct says Australia are unlikely to win in 2013; they'd need two players - someone like Maddison or Khawaja - to take to Test cricket exceptionally well and exceptionally quickly to give their top order the necessary stability against the stronger, deeper England bowling resources.  That said, if any two out of - Strauss doesn't recover his form, Morgan doesn't find his, Pietersen grows old quickly - happen then England might be in the same position top order wise.  Okay, I'd say our bowling is still the stronger, but it'd become a shoot out.

[Vic Nicholas]

Most of that is common sense really, save the point about Watson being banned from bowling - I don't personally think his conversion rate and recent form are good enough that he should be keeping a younger player out of the side if playing as a batsman alone, whilst his bowling is a genuine weapon to add to the Aussie arsenal.

Gut instinct says Australia are unlikely to win in 2013; they'd need two players - someone like Maddison or Khawaja - to take to Test cricket exceptionally well and exceptionally quickly to give their top order the necessary stability against the stronger, deeper England bowling resources.  That said, if any two out of - Strauss doesn't recover his form, Morgan doesn't find his, Pietersen grows old quickly - happen then England might be in the same position top order wise.  Okay, I'd say our bowling is still the stronger, but it'd become a shoot out.

Even if England are somehow past their peak and Strauss, Pietersen and Morgan don't come up to a reasonable level, Australia has to rebuild a complete top order in 18 months. A complete top order.

Noway that Hussey and Ponting will be there in 2013 - and they both scored tons in the last test to win it for us. We might be surprised by a Maddison or a Khawaja - or both, but that still will not be enough, because you need at least five out of your top six contributing regularly to win a big series.

It is a long, long road back up the slippery pole.

The bowling is on the right track - but the batting line up needs a complete overhaul.

[Manormanic]

I don't disagree, though my point is that it is conceiveable that England will eventually be in the same boat - not necessarily overwhelmingly likely, but certainly conceiveable.

[cricketbadger]

Vic, what do you think of the young lad Starc?

as i presume your an aussie id be interested to hear your opinion of him?

[langer17]

Vic, what do you think of the young lad Starc?

as i presume your an aussie id be interested to hear your opinion of him?

He's not ready for the jump from FC cricket to Test cricket. Not even close.

All of his wickets were from really wide balls that the batsmen tried to smash, but were caught, or from chop ons. He didn't get a single proper wicket.

[cricketbadger]

He's not ready for the jump from FC cricket to Test cricket. Not even close.

All of his wickets were from really wide balls that the batsmen tried to smash, but were caught, or from chop ons. He didn't get a single proper wicket.

those wer my thoughts, from that i saw he was allover the place, granted he had some pace but lacked the control for test cricket
and the wickets were all pretty poor balls, example his first was a wide half tracker McCullum smashed to point, and there was one strangled down leg-side if im not mistaken

[johan95]

He reminded me a touch off Mitchell Johnson...

[Village Trundler]

Praveen Kumar???

I am a pretty lazy bloke, but I reckon I could jog down the pitch quicker than he gets the ball down there.

[Vic Nicholas]

Vic, what do you think of the young lad Starc?

as i presume your an aussie id be interested to hear your opinion of him?

After the relief of not having Johnson bowling his usual brand of dross mixed with the occasionally brilliant which let the batting team score freely, I was dismayed to see that this kid bowled pretty similar to Johnson in that there was fine pace, angle and trajectory - ie; something to work with, but an inability to maintain pressure on the batsmen like Pattinson and Cummins can.

He has a lot of work to do to be a test class bowler.

[langer17]

After the relief of not having Johnson bowling his usual brand of dross mixed with the occasionally brilliant which let the batting team score freely, I was dismayed to see that this kid bowled pretty similar to Johnson in that there was fine pace, angle and trajectory - ie; something to work with, but an inability to maintain pressure on the batsmen like Pattinson and Cummins can.

He has a lot of work to do to be a test class bowler.

They are thinking of playing 4 quicks, which I think is good, but if Starc is one of them, then we are asking for trouble.

He has basically been put back in the squad on the back of a decent T-20 performance a week or so ago, which is stupid, but we are talking about Cricket Australia, so not really surprising.