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Re: Left Arm Medium pace with front on action ?
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2011, 12:34:59 PM »

Another one to consider is to approach the crease from a wider angle. This should help you force the ball across right-handers. Revert to a straighter run up when bowling to left handers
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Re: Left Arm Medium pace with front on action ?
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2011, 12:38:53 PM »

consider where your bowling hand ends up at the end of your action.

i reckon your left hand will end up near your right pocket. biomechanically, the ball is almost guaranteed to go down leg to a right hand batsman.

try pulling your arm through your bowling action at a straighter angle so your left hand finishes its motion next to your left pocket. it should help straighten you up, and you might even get a little bit of away swing if your wrist is in the correct position.
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Re: Left Arm Medium pace with front on action ?
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2011, 01:15:15 PM »

consider where your bowling hand ends up at the end of your action.

i reckon your left hand will end up near your right pocket. biomechanically, the ball is almost guaranteed to go down leg to a right hand batsman.

try pulling your arm through your bowling action at a straighter angle so your left hand finishes its motion next to your left pocket. it should help straighten you up, and you might even get a little bit of away swing if your wrist is in the correct position.

Don't agree with this -  his left arm should finish by his left pocket. By finishing by hs right pocket your encouraging him to fall over at the crease - I guess that might well help him bowl to a right-handers off stump, but will make it harder to control the ball if he has to bowl at a left hander
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Re: Left Arm Medium pace with front on action ?
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2011, 02:17:38 PM »

Another one to consider is to approach the crease from a wider angle. This should help you force the ball across right-handers. Revert to a straighter run up when bowling to left handers

heard similar advice but I think that's insane. You will force him to contort his body into a side on position that isn't natural and reduce his chances of swinging the ball back - a key feature of being a left armer! As for the left/right pocket thing, when you bowl your left arm natural follows through to your right pocket. Dragging the arm across the body is natural and a key part of bowling an inswinger. To bowl an outswinger you "push" the ball with your wrist and the arm will follow through closer to the left pocket but I think that's for another day. Simmy will testify I can bowl both inswinger/outswinger and do know what I'm talking about  :D

Trust me I've tried everything in 27 years of left arm swing bowling. Keep it simple, arrive at the crease balanced and concentrate on natural, repeatable delivery with the head still and arm/wrist pointing towards where you bowl it. Bowling is as simple as batting, just don't think too much about it and do the basics.
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Re: Left Arm Medium pace with front on action ?
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2011, 02:26:42 PM »

My natural delivery is an inswinger and it swings so much that it ends up down the leg side. It still works fine for me with a semi new ball but with the new ball I end up delivering wides after wides.

In the winter season right now we play with indoor yellow balls. These balls swing twice as much as red balls and really hard to control unless you end up delivering cross seam ( which defies the whole purpose of bowling with a new ball).
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Re: Left Arm Medium pace with front on action ?
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2011, 02:39:51 PM »

As a right arm swing and seam bowler, I'd agree with Nick. Concentrate on simplicity and consistency. While you worry about everything you will find it hard to control the ball.

Put the hours (and it is hours!) in to determine your run up. Spend 6 hours a week running in and bowling - you will find a length of run up that you are comfortable with. Losing rhythm prior to the delivery strides suggests that your run up is not the correct length. Do as someone mentioned and reduce it, almost coming in off a walk in. When you find a length that is comfortable, keep using it.

In addition, as you run in, look at where you want the ball to bounce. Even as a swing bowler, this will aid you in your delivery. You'll be surprised at how effective this is even with the ball swinging.

Don't try and jump. it puts you off balance and all over the place. Just run through the crease.

Finally, practice. 10,000 hours is the number quoted, and unfortunately for anyone bowling with any kind of pace, it is necessary. You have a lot of levers to co-ordinate and the more you do it and it feels right, the better it will become...
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Re: Left Arm Medium pace with front on action ?
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2011, 02:46:23 PM »

Sounds like you are bowling more round arm than you should, if the ball s swinging alpt. Does the ball swing early?
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Re: Left Arm Medium pace with front on action ?
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2011, 03:02:46 PM »

Yes, it is more round arm ( can say its a cross between waqar and kapil dev's action :) ). The bowl swings quite early. I am trying to remain as side on as possible as I read that being side on makes the ball swings late though no success so far in terms of consistency.

Yesterday,
I got one to swing too much and was lucky that the batsman nicked it down the leg side to the keeper.

Then, I nearly got one batsman got bowled by a big in swinging delivery but was called wide as it missed the leg stump by a whisker ( harsh twenty twenty rule :( ) .

Another delivery I got to jack back and got the batsman plumb in front who was lucky to survive due to height of the delivery.

In between these two I sprayed around few deliveries, trying to deliver a magic banana swing.
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Re: Left Arm Medium pace with front on action ?
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2011, 03:17:08 PM »

heard similar advice but I think that's insane. You will force him to contort his body into a side on position that isn't natural and reduce his chances of swinging the ball back - a key feature of being a left armer!

I don't think he should change his action at all, just the angle that he approaches the wicket.

If you draw a line from the start of your run up to where you are delivering the ball (i.e. down legside), then to start bowling the right side of the wickets, pivot that line at the bowling crease.

I've just drawn up an example, but can't post on photobucket whilst at work - could someone post for me if I email them?
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Re: Left Arm Medium pace with front on action ?
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2011, 04:06:14 PM »

A bit off topic but really curious if any one knows how to achieve late swing ?

All the top fast bowlers have this ability to swing the ball late, which commit the batsmen into a false shot.
Prime example is Dale Steyn in the current crop of  international bowlers.
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Re: Left Arm Medium pace with front on action ?
« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2011, 04:07:58 PM »

If late swing was available on tap with a secret answer there wouldn't be many batsmen getting 50's let alone 100's!!
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Re: Left Arm Medium pace with front on action ?
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2011, 04:16:16 PM »

I don't think anyone else has said this?


Your right arm could be falling away to the right, pulling your whole body to the right and causing you to bowl down there. This is a very common problem and sorting that out makes a lot off difference. My left arm (I am a right arm bowler) used to fall away, and I would always bowl down the offside, but now I don't.
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Re: Left Arm Medium pace with front on action ?
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2011, 06:17:05 PM »

that could be another reason JoeHig. However if it swings early then you basically need to get your arm higher/straighter and remain upright. Being side on would help but I wouldn't change too many things at once. Force yourself to clip the ear and focus on bowling as high and upright as possible, the idea being to learn good habits even if you never get it 100% right.
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Re: Left Arm Medium pace with front on action ?
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2011, 06:41:42 PM »

I wouldn't change too many things at once.
Baby steps :D As Jonny has said, always start at the beginning of any technique before looking further down the line. If the run up is wrong, chances are everything else will be panini'd!
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Re: Left Arm Medium pace with front on action ?
« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2011, 06:59:08 PM »

more fundamental than that my friend. Bowling action first off 2 paces, as I was taught as a colt and then gradually extend the run up without compromising the action.

If you can't stand still and hit the stumps with your bowling action then you might as well give up bowling.
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