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[Buzz]

Oh yeah...

Like you had a Cummins or Pattinson coming through at that time.

we had allan mulally and martin bicknell - one did very well at ODI stuff and the other didn't get a fair chance - although at that time we had Gough, Fraser, Cork, Lewis, Bicknell, Martin, Devon Malcolm, and a few others who were all managed very poorly.

[Number4]

I think the future of Australian cricket is looking very bright to be honest

[Manormanic]

I think the future of Australian cricket is looking very bright to be honest

the potential is there, I agree.  The infrastructure seems a bit, erm, lacking...

[Vic Nicholas]

the potential is there, I agree.  The infrastructure seems a bit, erm, lacking...

Negligently so.

[Number4]

the potential is there, I agree.  The infrastructure seems a bit, erm, lacking...

 I think the problem has been the decision makers and not wanting to realise they have hit a rebuilding period.. They need to take a chance and show some confidence in the young talent. The older players are ending their careers and they are trying to get the last drops of blood from them.

Australia will have a devistating attack in the next few years and the batting talent is there they just need to expose them to the bright lights of international cricket... As long as its done correctly and they select players on form and potential

[Alvaro]

There has always been the talent in both countries, to paraphrase Steve Waugh, it's what you do with it that counts.

And, Cummins is already broken... and Victoria have been holding Pattinson back by getting him to bowl the wrong length... Pattinson looks good though - better than Cummins does for sure.

[Alvaro]

They need to take a chance and show some confidence in the young talent. The older players are ending their careers and they are trying to get the last drops of blood from them.

Australia will have a devistating attack in the next few years and the batting talent is there they just need to expose them to the bright lights of international cricket... As long as its done correctly and they select players on form and potential

Easier said than done... How many spinners have they chewed up and spat out in the last five years?
As I said before, the main reason the older players are still in is because they're still better than the younger ones...
you need to take a punt on people, like England did with Hoggard, Vaughan and Trescothick (and Jones and Harmison) in 1999-2002 and stick with them, rather than going with form. Otherwise you end up with flaky limited players like Hughes and Khawaja holding others back.

[Number4]

There has always been the talent in both countries, to paraphrase Steve Waugh, it's what you do with it that counts.

And, Cummins is already broken... and Victoria have been holding Pattinson back by getting him to bowl the wrong length... Pattinson looks good though - better than Cummins does for sure.

I think you are righting Cummins off a bit too quickly... He will be the best bowler for Australia for quite a few years to come... I agree with Hughes but I think Khawaja has a future with Australia in Test cricket..

I disagree with the old players still being better than the young ones.... What do you base your statement on??... Ponting is still better than the young up and coming batsmen??.. How do you know that when they havent even had a chance in test cricket yet.... I think you are basing your statements on the old Ricky Ponting...which he no longer is...

Don't get me wrong I like Ponting and he was once the best batsman in the world... He is far from that now and its time to step aside.

Look at the batting talent coming through:
Warner
Khawaja
Cowan
Townsend
Christian
Cooper
Forest
Burns
Wade
Davis


And the list goes on and on

[Alvaro]

I think that Ponting is the victim of a bit of a witch hunt to be honest. Clarke is a selector, if he didn't want Ponting then he wouldn't be in the team (see Katich saga). Don't forget that three Tests ago Ponting set Australia up to win a Test in South Africa with a really fighting knock.

I understand your point about him not being as good as he once was... your list is nice, it has some people who've got some first class runs this year on it but are they really Test class apart from Warner? Two English season ago Adam Lyth got a fair few for Yorkshire, last season he couldn't get it off the square. Something about form being temporary...

As someone on here said a while back, Khawaja has the whiff of Ramprakash about him without the technical excellence. Cummins looks exciting, but he may be like Simon Jones and keep picking up injuries, who knows he's only played a handful of grown up games (with great success); I just meant Pattinson looks proper (and like he has a brain).

 

[The_Bird]

Is Dan Christian a proper batsman? he reminded me of Justin Kemp when he played for Hampshire. Smashed it for sure but I doubt he will solve the batting woes, Mitchell Marsh however could i believe. James Anderson was plucked from obscurity and hardly played a first class game before his debut like cummins and look at him now. I hope Cummins will be immense in the future, out and out quicks are what make cricket exciting and in his day and age of far superior strength and conditioning I hope he stays fit.

[pacman75cricket]

I think that Ponting is the victim of a bit of a witch hunt to be honest. Clarke is a selector, if he didn't want Ponting then he wouldn't be in the team (see Katich saga). Don't forget that three Tests ago Ponting set Australia up to win a Test in South Africa with a really fighting knock.

I understand your point about him not being as good as he once was... your list is nice, it has some people who've got some first class runs this year on it but are they really Test class apart from Warner? Two English season ago Adam Lyth got a fair few for Yorkshire, last season he couldn't get it off the square. Something about form being temporary...

As someone on here said a while back, Khawaja has the whiff of Ramprakash about him without the technical excellence. Cummins looks exciting, but he may be like Simon Jones and keep picking up injuries, who knows he's only played a handful of grown up games (with great success); I just meant Pattinson looks proper (and like he has a brain).

 

Agree remember Tendulkar having a rough patch came through it hit A purple patch of form

[langer17]

Is Dan Christian a proper batsman? he reminded me of Justin Kemp when he played for Hampshire. Smashed it for sure but I doubt he will solve the batting woes, Mitchell Marsh however could i believe. James Anderson was plucked from obscurity and hardly played a first class game before his debut like cummins and look at him now. I hope Cummins will be immense in the future, out and out quicks are what make cricket exciting and in his day and age of far superior strength and conditioning I hope he stays fit.

9 innings, 475 @ 59.37 and a strike rate of 57.22

So he seems to have matured in FC cricket this year and is grafting innings out.

His shield hundreds this year have come off a decent amount of balls, and he does play for SA who are last in the shield and have been down for some time now, so he is flourishing with little support. Highlight for me would be when he and Cooper were batting to stop NSW getting an outright, and he got out for 96 of 225 balls, he deserved a 100 as he batted very well that game.

[Number4]

I think that Ponting is the victim of a bit of a witch hunt to be honest. Clarke is a selector, if he didn't want Ponting then he wouldn't be in the team (see Katich saga). Don't forget that three Tests ago Ponting set Australia up to win a Test in South Africa with a really fighting knock.

I understand your point about him not being as good as he once was... your list is nice, it has some people who've got some first class runs this year on it but are they really Test class apart from Warner? Two English season ago Adam Lyth got a fair few for Yorkshire, last season he couldn't get it off the square. Something about form being temporary...

As someone on here said a while back, Khawaja has the whiff of Ramprakash about him without the technical excellence. Cummins looks exciting, but he may be like Simon Jones and keep picking up injuries, who knows he's only played a handful of grown up games (with great success); I just meant Pattinson looks proper (and like he has a brain).

 

A few of these batsmen have been scoring runs over the last 2 seasons...and don't forget they are still young guys so the stats arent going to go back to far..

As for Tendulkar you certainly can't compare his rough patch with Pontings.... Apart from one innings recently how long has it been since he scored runs???

I think Clarke is showing Ponting loyalty..which you can only do for so long.

And another 2 names
Mitchell and Shawn Marsh

You poms better enjoy it while it lasts cause we will be back before you know it.. and we know how long it lasted previously...haha

[Alvaro]

Make hay while the sun shines.
I didn't mention Tendulkar.
How's Shaun's back?

Maddinson should be on your list. He plays for NSW at least.

[Number4]

Make hay while the sun shines.
I didn't mention Tendulkar.
How's Shaun's back?

Maddinson should be on your list. He plays for NSW at least.

Sorry the Tendulkar comment was for pacman75cricket