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« on: December 27, 2011, 11:06:57 AM »

Lately there has been lot of heated debate on 'DRS' at every level.

It seems pretty illogical on behalf on one cricket board to oppose this system when it can help umpires making whole lot of decisions much better, particularly the pretty obvious ones.

In general the debate is mainly focused on the accuracy of the technology. Though I think it is much more than that. It is more about "‘technology policing’ which should be the requirement if the system comes into place at a full scale.

The decisions taken on a cricket field are a result of a split second judgement which brings about the human error factor. Any delay to that decision and help of a technology would certainly reduce those errors but it will also allow another grim aspect to sneak in.. which is manipulation of technology.The time taken from the moment a team appeals till the third umpire takes a decision seems like an eternity which does open a sufficient window in which the technology can be manipulated ( I am not saying that it is being done, but there is a certain possibility of it happening if the proper safeguards are not in place).

Third umpire is dependent on a particular footage to be able to decide on a judgement.

1. A technician sends a video clip of a ball to the third umpire to check if it is a no ball or not. Who will ensure that the clip is from the previous ball ? Another human error scope ? Even though the technology is so new, there are already some incidents questioning the whole process:

http://www.supersport.com/cricket/blogs/mike-haysman/Dhoni_noball_outrage

2. How accurate is the Hawk eye?  Is the ball projection is always correct and can't be manipulated? . Also the qustion is how to ensure that it won't be manipulated ?  As it does open a new angle for controversies..



3. Same goes for hotspot




In my view, the technology should be used only for the blunders made by the on field umpires.

No referrals, only that the third umpire should have the power to overturn the decisions which are blunders by an on field umpires.

The blunders should fall under following category:

1. Which are so obvious that they can be judged and conveyed within 10 seconds to on field umpires.
2. No LBW overturn by third umpire, with the only exception of an obvious inside edge.
3. No more microscopic run out decisions which they take ages to make. ICC should change the rule and if the batsman is touching the line he should be fine, same should be for the no balls. It seems ridiculous to spend so much time to decide if the bat has crossed the line.
4. Only obvious nicks.

The idea should be to avoid the blunders and not to make the whole decision making full proof. In my opinion in trying to make it 100% correct they are opening windows to new areas of error.

Sure this seems heavily tilted in favor of batsmen but it can be easily balanced if the pitches can be made more sporting ( favoring both batsman and bowlers.)






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Re: DRS
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2011, 12:09:29 PM »

hawkeye is as accurate as they come. The technology was used for missile tracking lol!

The cheaper alternatives aren't as accurate, I think the aussie version has a huge margin of error. That's why Hawkeye is used in major tennis tournaments and not others.
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Re: DRS
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2011, 01:14:32 PM »

The one that the aussies used last year I think it was eagle eye was attrocious. Ill never forget Paul Collingwood being judged lbw by eagle eye at the WACA off Johnson to a ball that was apparently comfortably hitting the stumps. or a 50/50 call off Strauss 1st ball of innings 2 at the Gabba, which eagleeye had missing by 30cm

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Re: DRS
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2012, 10:01:04 AM »

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Re: DRS
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2012, 11:17:20 AM »

not that the guy quoted is biased at all.

I don't disagree with you - however I also like Dhoni's view:
“This is a game in which people commit mistakes,” he said. “If a bowler doesn’t commit a mistake, then a batsman cannot score runs; if a batsman does not commit a mistake, then a bowler cannot take a wicket. We’ll make the umpires a part of that, too . . . if mistakes are not committed intentionally, then I’m perfectly fine with it.”
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Re: DRS
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2012, 11:24:03 AM »

not that the guy quoted is biased at all.

I don't disagree with you - however I also like Dhoni's view:
“This is a game in which people commit mistakes,” he said. “If a bowler doesn’t commit a mistake, then a batsman cannot score runs; if a batsman does not commit a mistake, then a bowler cannot take a wicket. We’ll make the umpires a part of that, too . . . if mistakes are not committed intentionally, then I’m perfectly fine with it.”

I still think the 3rd umpire should be able to reverse shocking calls, where the umpire may have lost concentration. Batsmen, Bowlers and Fielders can lose concentration for a second, and umpires aren't immune to this, especially if it is a hot day. So I think that should be where it is implemented.
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Re: DRS
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2012, 11:39:34 AM »

not that the guy quoted is biased at all.

I don't disagree with you - however I also like Dhoni's view:
“This is a game in which people commit mistakes,” he said. “If a bowler doesn’t commit a mistake, then a batsman cannot score runs; if a batsman does not commit a mistake, then a bowler cannot take a wicket. We’ll make the umpires a part of that, too . . . if mistakes are not committed intentionally, then I’m perfectly fine with it.”

don't need a car when we have a horse. He wouldn't get on to well at a performance appraisal at my workplace.
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Re: DRS
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2012, 11:46:38 AM »


3. No more microscopic run out decisions which they take ages to make. ICC should change the rule and if the batsman is touching the line he should be fine, same should be for the no balls. It seems ridiculous to spend so much time to decide if the bat has crossed the line.



Whilst I agree that the process to make these decisions is rather slow, this would make absolutely no difference to the speed at which decisions can be made, all you're doing is making the distance a batsman has to run about 2 inches shorter. There would still be very tight calls regarding whether the batsmen had touched the line or was just short. Slowed-down and microscopic cameras would still be needed. It will still be a line decision and therefore will still need a 3rd umpire

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Re: DRS
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2012, 11:59:10 AM »

Yep, you either use 3rd umpire for line calls or you don't. If you do, you can't be vague about it can you?!

Imagine the 3rd umpire returning a verdict of "Oh he was probably safe there!"

As soon as you use technology you have to take the decision to the next level in terms of accuracy.
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Re: DRS
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2012, 12:03:47 PM »

don't need a car when we have a horse. He wouldn't get on to well at a performance appraisal at my workplace.
Sounds like there would be a few cricket administrators who would struggle with the performance appraisal at your workplace!

The thing is - Cricket hasn't really adapted - the Laws have been mostly the same for years - and this is a big thing as it encourages people to challenge the authority of the umpire - which is very ugly when you have the guy at first slip in a league or village game doing the "t" sign when a decision goes against his team. It can undermine the umpire.

Personally I prefer Langers view - that the umpires should be able to check decisions they are not sure about, rather than the batting or bowling teams
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Re: DRS
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2012, 12:06:20 PM »

im all for this tech stuff.

hawkaye and hotspot is grate! i love waiting for the 3rd umpires decision lol
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Re: DRS
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2012, 12:08:42 PM »


Personally I prefer Langers view - that the umpires should be able to check decisions they are not sure about, rather than the batting or bowling teams

I'd go along with this. The standard of umpiring nowadays is pretty decent to be fair and they know which are the tight calls. The only problem I can foresee with this is the likelyhood of players asking umpires anyway and we could end up with extended appealing

Whatever is decided should be the rules for all nations playing at test level - no opt-outs!
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Re: DRS
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2012, 12:11:27 PM »

some umpires wouldn't want to admit to a mistake or are to proud to refer. Doesn't work. DRS causes less problems than not having DRS. Apart from the odd hotspot issue and some marginal hawkeye calls in 2/3 years it's been in operation, everyone bar India is happy. As the eagle eye guy says, get it setup right and even they won't happen. 1 test match in Aus and 4? rank decisions.

Don't hear tennis players bleating about it.
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Re: DRS
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2012, 12:16:23 PM »

the difference in tennis is that it is just for line calls and it is after the ball has actually landed - in cricket there is the element of guess work on the future path of the ball.

Umpires proud? possibly - but there is a third (and 4th) umpire to say - hold on, this is an ugly/poor decision
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Re: DRS
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2012, 12:16:33 PM »

I still think it makes the umpires lazy and not as focused as umpires from years gone by. Heck they can't even call a no ball without going upstairs these days.. They may as well not have umpires out in the middle if they can't even do that
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