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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2012, 12:52:49 PM »

Personally would love to see the brave option of five bowlers but without Bresnan that is even less likely than it was already - and it was very unlikely then given Strauss' comments in his Ashes Diary to the effect that he never saw the point of a fifth bowler unless they were a genuine all rounder.

So Tremlett, Finn or Onions...I'd be inclined to say Tremlett - two reasons being that he is naturally intimidating enough that he'll still get the Pakistani batsmen on the back foot both literally and figuratively, and that he is considerably more consistant than Finn at this stage in his career, meaning that he will not exist as a release valve for the pressure created by the other bowlers.

Personally, I'm not convinced that this will be a run fest at all - England's structure has always been to build pressure on the batsman and to try and get wickets by way of poor shotmaking etc, and I don't think that this is likely to change too much regardless of conditions.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2012, 12:59:10 PM »

Do you not think that Tremlett's natural length will just sit up and get smashed on these pitches?
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2012, 01:01:05 PM »

I think Finn will play ahead of Tremlett as Finn has been playing more than Tremlett and was our best bowler in the Indian ODI's. In Fact Tremlett has been out injured for a while.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2012, 01:07:26 PM »

It will be definitely Finn who will play since Bresan left.

Bresan was also one who could reverse the ball and was quite handy batsman lower down the order.

Big loss for England
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2012, 01:08:50 PM »

My Side would be this -

Cook
Strauss
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Prior
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Finn
Panesar

To me that batting line-up still looks very strong, and should Broad be needed its a great chance for him to further himself more with the bat and become a genuine all-rounder

Quite excited about these matches. You never know what you're going to get with Pakistan - could be woeful, could be amazing, makes great tv!
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2012, 01:12:37 PM »

Tremlett and Swann both face late fitness tests so Strauss and Co. might be forced into a decision anyway. They've gotta play 5 bowlers, Pakistan are blessed to have 3/4 better than part time spinners.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2012, 01:13:48 PM »

I'd like this Pakistan line up;

1. Mohammad Hafeez
2. Taufeeq Umar
3. Azhar Ali
4. Younus Khan
5. Misbah Ul Haq
6. Umar Akmal
7. Adnan Akmal
8. Wahab Riaz
9. Umar Gul
10. Junaid Khan
11. Saeed Ajmal

It will be a toss between Wahab Riaz and Aizaz Cheema.

Mohammad Hafeez has turned out to be impressive bowler his spin bowling is a great addition.

English line up is quite strong and there middle order is also very good against spin bowling.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2012, 01:15:14 PM »

I think Tremlett is a much better bowler than the one trick pont of four years ago and will be bright enough to adjust his length accordingly - having said that, even on lower bouncing decks I think his length is still one that would be difficult for the Pakistani batsman to get on top of comfortably, especially until they're very well set.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2012, 01:17:05 PM »

If I'm not wrong doesn't Tremlett get that 'extra' bounce off the seam/pitch? If he does that is danger for Pakistani batsmans
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2012, 01:19:32 PM »

I'd like this Pakistan line up;

1. Mohammad Hafeez
2. Taufeeq Umar
3. Azhar Ali
4. Younus Khan
5. Misbah Ul Haq
6. Umar Akmal
7. Adnan Akmal
8. Wahab Riaz
9. Umar Gul
10. Junaid Khan
11. Saeed Ajmal

It will be a toss between Wahab Riaz and Aizaz Cheema.

Mohammad Hafeez has turned out to be impressive bowler his spin bowling is a great addition.

English line up is quite strong and there middle order is also very good against spin bowling.


Pakistan certainly have some potency in the bowling stakes with all 3 seamers able to use reverse swing well. Ajmal v Swann will be a great battle also
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2012, 01:20:00 PM »

If I'm not wrong doesn't Tremlett get that 'extra' bounce off the seam/pitch? If he does that is danger for Pakistani batsmans

well, on anything but the ultimate puddings, Tremlett delivering the ball from 11 feet up is going to create a substantially different trajectory from even Finn's nine foot odd.  There will always be different opinions on such things...
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2012, 01:25:30 PM »

If he can adjust his length he will still be dangerous but anything slightly short coming from that height on these pitches will be fodder, be interesting to see if they pick him or Finn
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2012, 01:29:13 PM »

True to all three posts above :)
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2012, 01:53:33 PM »

well, on anything but the ultimate puddings, Tremlett delivering the ball from 11 feet up is going to create a substantially different trajectory from even Finn's nine foot odd.  There will always be different opinions on such things...

I don't reckon Tremlett's height plus arm length is going to be 2 foot bigger than Finn's somehow or were you exaggerating a little bit lol  :-[
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2012, 02:01:10 PM »

I don't reckon Tremlett's height plus arm length is going to be 2 foot bigger than Finn's somehow or were you exaggerating a little bit lol  :-[

Nope - they did this using Hawkeye on Sky Sports a year or so ago - Tremlett is a couple of inches taller and longer limbed, but also delivers from a more upright position so the effective difference in point of delivery is something like 19 or 20 inches.
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