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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #585 on: February 06, 2012, 09:55:23 PM »

Lots of people calling for Morgan's head, but it's not as though Ian Bell has been any better

Bell has proven himself in the past, and has a good technique.

Morgan has a bad technique and hasn't ever put in a great test shift, never stepped up to score runs when batsman are falling around him.

He scored 70 odd against india, but this is when batsman were all getting good scores.

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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #586 on: February 06, 2012, 09:58:40 PM »

It would appear the limit of Morgans test talent is playing low quality spin on flat pitches.


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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #587 on: February 06, 2012, 10:03:46 PM »

Shows how important building partnerships are as Azhar & Younis batted superbly together but then wickets fallen in clusters, just england didnt ever get really good partnerships going.

Also have England not prepared for these pitches prep based on slow turners not pitch where skids through ?  + pakistan spinners bowl are quite a pace.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #588 on: February 06, 2012, 10:08:27 PM »

In 2010 Morgan scored his maiden test century batting at no.6 coming to the wicket at 118-4, so he has dug in and scored runs when they've really mattered before.

I just think he's under prepared having spent several months injured I feel he lacks match practice.

That said, would love to see prior at 6 & Bresnan at 7, but can't see the management team picking an extra bowler when it's our batting that's letting us down
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #589 on: February 06, 2012, 10:08:56 PM »

The best players adapt to the situation. I recently spent quite some time with Mushtaq Mohammad former Pakistan coach. I asked him what he looks for in a player. He said someone who plays the situation.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #590 on: February 06, 2012, 10:16:57 PM »

can't drop Bell fter a bad series, he's been wonderful past couple of years.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #591 on: February 06, 2012, 10:29:49 PM »

Although Pietersen, Bell & Morgan have had shockers, the reality is that on subcontinental pitches all our batsmen struggle.

It is worth noting in the last month England Lions lost to Bangladesh 'A' 3-2 in ODIs & England U-19 lost to Bangladesh U-19 5-2 in ODIs. If that was the senior team, there'd be a bigger witch-hunt than the current test losses have provided.

A middle-order change (or play Prior 6, Bresnan 7) has to happen before the next test as the next incumbent cannot do any worse. I'd drop Morgan, as although he averaged more than Bell & KP (a whopping 13!) he looked clueless and doesn't have the bank of test runs the others have.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #592 on: February 08, 2012, 05:46:59 AM »

The Ajmal story which has sparked off some interest:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-england-2012/content/current/story/552462.html

Ajmal comment sparks action confusion


Saeed Ajmal, Man of the Series as Pakistan whitewashed England 3-0 in the UAE, sparked confusion over his bowling action by giving an interview in which he appeared to claim that he has special dispensation to exceed the limit currently permitted by the ICC. However, it later emerged that Ajmal has an abnormally natural bent arm similar to Muttiah Muralitharan although the exact degrees involved remained unclear.
In the interview with the BBC, Ajmal volunteered the belief that the ICC had allowed him 23.5 degrees to compensate for an accident in which he injured his arm. The ICC, however, were quick to reject the suggestion.
Ajmal said: "Someone is telling me my action is bad because the ICC allowed me as a bowler 23.5 degrees, because my arm is not good. A few years ago I had an accident. Otherwise, no problem, the action was cleared by ICC."
An ICC spokeman denied that was the case. "There is no dispensation for anyone," he said. "It is worth remembering that his first language is not English and this may have been a slip of the tongue."
David Richardson, the ICC's general manager of cricket, confirmed that Ajmal's arm is not naturally straight and that Ajmal's action does not fall outside the 15-degree tolerance limit.
"There is a big difference between the 'elbow carry angle' (elbow abduction) and the degree of elbow extension," he said. "There is nothing preventing a bowler bowling with a bent arm, provided he does not straighten it beyond the permitted degrees of tolerance."
In an interview on the ICC website, Richardson added: "In Saeed Ajmal's case he has a 15-degree angle of elbow abduction."
The PCB issued a statement attempting to clarify the situation although their claim that Ajmal's elbow has a natural angle of 23 degrees didn't match Richardson's explanation that it was 15 degrees, which also happens to be the ICC's tolerance limit.
"The ICC's level of tolerance of 15 degrees relates to the degree of elbow extension that is permitted in the bowling action, ie. the amount by which the arm is straightening," Pakistan team manager Naveed Akram Cheema said. "Previous tests conducted on the action of Saeed Ajmal show that the degree of elbow extension is well within ICC's tolerance levels."
"Saeed Ajmal was referring to the angle of elbow abduction, ie. the angle of the upper arm to the forearm and not the degree of elbow extension. This angle is approximately 23 degrees in Saeed's case.
Ajmal tormented the England batsmen in all three Tests, claiming 24 wickets in the series at an average of just 14.7. Their inability to distinguish between his off-break and doosra caused particular confusion and vastly reduced the effectiveness of England's much-vaunted middle order. Ian Bell, Eoin Morgan and Kevin Pietersen all failed to average more than 13.
While Bob Willis, the former England captain turned pundit, had raised concerns about Ajmal's action at the start of the series, the England team have been reluctant to be dragged into any controversy. Consequently, they have stuck to the line that it is job of the umpires and the ICC to scrutinise bowlers' actions.
However, Andy Flower, the England coach, expressed his surprise after being told of Ajmal's remarks. "If that's the degree, then there's a problem," Flower said. "That's ridiculous.
"That is an ICC issue, though. They are there to police the game, and make sure that it is played within the rules, so they've got to scrutinise his action. We've all got our own views, but our job is to combat whoever is put against us, and part of it is also to play the game in the right spirit."
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #593 on: February 08, 2012, 06:38:38 AM »

It was just a case of Ajmal's poor English. The BBC reporter took little note of it but the media will have a field day!
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #594 on: February 08, 2012, 06:52:03 AM »

Him and Botha both have disgraceful actions, being cleared under test conditions means nothing when they are both in the middle.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #595 on: February 08, 2012, 09:36:40 AM »

Botha's is much worse than Ajmal's ...
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #596 on: February 08, 2012, 12:28:28 PM »

A throw is a throw.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #597 on: February 08, 2012, 05:18:39 PM »

here you go BIGBOY  http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-england-2012/content/current/story/552579.html

I'd love to see the look on Bob Willis'es face.
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #598 on: February 09, 2012, 01:31:59 PM »

Interesting game coming up tomorrow. Perhaps Pakistan's toughest game so far...
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Re: England vs Pakistan
« Reply #599 on: February 09, 2012, 02:10:00 PM »

Interesting game coming up tomorrow. Perhaps Pakistan's toughest game so far...

Like.... definitely Pakistan's most important game so far!
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