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Liam-SCCC

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Colour of balls in relation to swinging
« on: March 27, 2012, 10:48:24 AM »
So, last night I picked up the clubs allocation of leage balls for this season. Looking to pick the best 6 for my first team.

Do you guys think the shade of red affects the swing of the ball?

Liam
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Re: Colour of balls in relation to swinging
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2012, 10:55:46 AM »
Quote from: Liam-SCCC on March 27, 2012, 10:48:24 AM
So, last night I picked up the clubs allocation of leage balls for this season. Looking to pick the best 6 for my first team.

Do you guys think the shade of red affects the swing of the ball?

Liam
Not really, no. Decent seam and quality of lacquer are more important.
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Re: Colour of balls in relation to swinging
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2012, 10:57:51 AM »
as above its the lacuqer/shine that makes a difference
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Re: Colour of balls in relation to swinging
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2012, 11:07:13 AM »
Quote from: Liam-SCCC on March 27, 2012, 10:48:24 AM
So, last night I picked up the clubs allocation of leage balls for this season. Looking to pick the best 6 for my first team.

Do you guys think the shade of red affects the swing of the ball?

Liam

I've heard that the darker the hue the more swing.
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Re: Colour of balls in relation to swinging
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2012, 11:07:43 AM »
Pink balls go like bananas
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Re: Colour of balls in relation to swinging
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2012, 11:14:36 AM »
I know the bowling coach at Leicestershire CCC and he said that they usually look for the darker coloured balls when they choose them
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Re: Colour of balls in relation to swinging
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2012, 11:19:17 AM »
We play with Dukes in our League - would definitely say that the darker they are the more they swing....
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Re: Colour of balls in relation to swinging
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2012, 11:22:50 AM »
We used to use dukes, which were lovely. Then crusader which were equally nice. Now we are payiing £10 a ball for hunts county 'sovereign crown, super A grade' balls. That don't swing, or maybe I've lots my banana swing I had when I was 15. They have to last 90 overs and are a right state by the end of the game.
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Re: Colour of balls in relation to swinging
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2012, 11:26:53 AM »


What about balls with marking, almost black, down the ball
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Re: Colour of balls in relation to swinging
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2012, 11:46:59 AM »
Overhead conditions are the key factor in any game of cricket. Next down the list is the skill of the bowler or the wear/maintenance of the ball during play. I have a ex-team mate who did a thesis on swing and could get any ball to swing, so the ball has very little to do with it.

If you are picking "responsive" balls, I look for a ball with little lacquer and a decent seam. Little lacquer means less time to remove the crap they put on balls and start working on the actual surface. Getting a roughed up side is more important than shining, and more difficult to do on some grounds with lush pitches. A good seam acts like a rudder and helps to increase the swing. I would also look for a ball that's not a perfect round shape or the stitching looks a little high ie. something that could make the ball perform in an unpredictable way. Apart from all the above and not seeing a darker ball against a gloomy background I can't see any benefit in discoloration.
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Re: Colour of balls in relation to swinging
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2012, 12:08:42 PM »
Dukes balls definitely are the best, my league went back to them last year , prefer them much more and if you look after them for the whole innings they can still swing in overs 45+
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Re: Colour of balls in relation to swinging
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2012, 02:25:00 PM »
Quote from: uknsaunders on March 27, 2012, 11:46:59 AM
Overhead conditions are the key factor in any game of cricket. Next down the list is the skill of the bowler or the wear/maintenance of the ball during play. I have a ex-team mate who did a thesis on swing and could get any ball to swing, so the ball has very little to do with it.
Don't forget the ground surroundings as well. Grounds with plenty of trees around the boundary swing more than those without.

Having said that, I'm sure there is something to be said about the best kind of balls for swingers are big ones....
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Re: Colour of balls in relation to swinging
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2012, 02:58:31 PM »
Quote from: uknsaunders on March 27, 2012, 11:46:59 AM
If you are picking "responsive" balls, I look for a ball with little lacquer and a decent seam. Little lacquer means less time to remove the crap they put on balls and start working on the actual surface. Getting a roughed up side is more important than shining, and more difficult to do on some grounds with lush pitches. A good seam acts like a rudder and helps to increase the swing. I would also look for a ball that's not a perfect round shape or the stitching looks a little high ie. something that could make the ball perform in an unpredictable way. Apart from all the above and not seeing a darker ball against a gloomy background I can't see any benefit in discoloration.

Our equivalent guy - who could also swing a peanut with the shell still on, always said that he looked for a small, dark ball.  Dunno what the science behind that would be but suspect there must be something to it because so many good swing bowlers say the same...or is it just received wisdom, that the smaller, darker balls swing more precisely because they're chosen by the best swing bowlers who are most likely to make it hoop?
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Re: Colour of balls in relation to swinging
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2012, 03:02:05 PM »
Side note - why is it that so many leagues are buying frankly awful balls nowadays?
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Re: Colour of balls in relation to swinging
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2012, 03:10:31 PM »
money - our league get a £3k per year kickback for using Readers. Balls don't swing or have a great seam and are nothing to write home about. A few complaints from clubs about the price and lack of swing. I reckon I can pick up better balls for £5-6 than the £13 per ball we get charged by the league. League won't change unless somebody gives them a better financial deal, ball considerations come second.

When I played in the TVL the balls were fantastic, swung all day, big seam and stayed hard even on rock hard decks, but I doubt the TVL skimmed as much money off the top.

On the small ball thing - sits better in the hand and makes it easier to manipulate with the fingers/wrist.
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