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Re: England v West Indies
« Reply #120 on: May 29, 2012, 02:00:29 AM »

Still, they are missing Sarwan, Gayle and Narine to name but a few. If you took two of Englands top 4 out as well as Swann, they'd struggle

Narine's never played a test though. Good bowler, but untested at this level so can't really make the comparison.
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« Reply #121 on: May 29, 2012, 05:38:50 PM »

You could argue Narine is in a similar boat to Bairstow in that Bairstow's chance came at ODI/T20 level originally and some decent form and an injury gave him his Test place. 

They would be unlikely to drop Shillingford for Narine in the short term given Shillingford's performance vs. Aus.  Also, Narine needs more time to see if he'll get found out.  Mendis had the same mystery a few years ago and then he got found out at the top level.
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Re: England v West Indies
« Reply #122 on: May 29, 2012, 06:02:13 PM »

I could easily see them dropping Shillingford for Narine. Given all the hype surrounding Narine and his willingness to play test cricket, I don't see why they wouldn't drop Shillingford, who is just an average off spinner. And having only played 8 tests and his wickets coming at a strike rate of nearly 15 overs per wicket, he's hardly undroppable.

I think Narine is also a bit different to Mendis, Narine turns his stock ball (offy) more than Mendis, and uses his variations more sparingly. No doubt he will be picked, but then again most spinners can be picked, but there "other" one still does damage.

But yes, a lot of hype over a player who has only 6 First Class games to his name
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Re: England v West Indies
« Reply #123 on: May 29, 2012, 07:49:53 PM »

I agree that they possibly should, but I'm not sure they would. And I agree with Narine being a different bowler as well.  As you said, he turns it a fair whack more, and I think (hope) he won't fade away like Mendis.  It will be interesting to see what he does on UK pitches.  If WI get their full team together, could be dark horses for the T20 world cup....
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Re: England v West Indies
« Reply #124 on: May 30, 2012, 02:01:57 PM »

Alec Stewart column: Too early to judge Jonny Bairstow
 By Alec Stewart Former England captain and BBC Radio 5 live summariser
England produced another highly professional display to beat the West Indies at Trent Bridge and wrap up a seventh straight home series win.
The only negative was some of the questions raised over Yorkshire batsman Jonny Bairstow after his difficulties in the face of some short-pitched bowling from Windies paceman Kemar Roach.
In my view, people have been far too quick to cast doubt over Bairstow's credentials as a Test player.
He was given a working over by Roach and was eventually caught off a leading edge, but it's far too early too say whether he has a genuine problem with short-pitched bowling or whether it was simply a bad 10 minutes, which everyone has at times in their batting careers.
On my Test debut, against the Windies in Jamaica in 1990, I gloved a ball from Ian Bishop from right in front of my nose to second slip. Anyone watching could easily have concluded that I had a weakness against short-pitched bowling, but it soon became clear that it was one of the strongest parts of my game.
Bairstow is a young player with huge potential who is still finding his feet in the Test match arena, but I haven't seen anything to suggest he can't be a fine Test cricketer.
If there are any issues that he is not happy with, I am certain that he will be working overtime with Andy Flower and Graham Gooch to put them right.
I was fortune enough to receive coaching and advice from Geoffrey Boycott during the early part of my career.
Before heading off to the Caribbean for that tour in 1990, he helped me tune in to the chin music I was likely to face by organising some intense training sessions at the indoor school at Headingley.
He had six young Yorkshire bowlers firing down brand new balls at me from 17 yards with a clear instruction to hit me on the head. If they didn't pitch it short enough they received a rollicking from the great man himself.
Those sessions were torrid, the toughest I have ever experienced. They lasted an hour and a half and I came out of them with a fair few bumps and bruises, but they ensured that I flew out to the Windies fully prepared for the type of barrage I would be receiving from their quick bowlers.
I'm a firm believer in the motto that if you practise hard, you play easy. Part of being a top player is finding solutions to any issues and constantly striving to better yourself. That applies just as much to young players like Jonny Bairstow as it does to players approaching the end of their careers.
While it takes a fair bit of nit-picking to find fault in England's batting, the Windies' problems are there for all to see.
Their inexperienced top four have found life very difficult and at the moment they don't look close to coming up with any answers.
The fundamentals of batting are the same at whatever level you play: shot selection, having the right mindset, not trying to hit the ball too hard and putting a high price on your wicket.
The Windies top four all have talent but they have been making some poor decisions at the crease and leaving their middle order with far too much work to do.
It is new territory for a lot of these players and they will not have previously faced a seam attack of the quality of James Anderson, Stuart Broad and Tim Bresnan.
Once again, the trio were outstanding at Trent Bridge and I was particularly pleased for Bresnan, who may not have the glamour of Anderson and Broad but is just as valuable to the team.
He puts in the hard yards in the middle of the innings but still has the talent to take wickets with the old ball. He is a fine cricketer who will just get better and better.
England's seamers all bowled more than 100 overs in the first two Tests and there will be some debate over whether one of them needs to be rested at Edgbaston.
I used to be totally against resting players because I believed you had to earn the right to play for your country, but I've now taken my blinkers off and appreciate that it's a tough international schedule. If there are little windows for rest, people should take them.
Anderson is the obvious candidate to sit out this Test and it is definitely worth a discussion. They will take a common sense approach, mindful of the need to respect the opposition and the game. But their most important concern will be picking a team capable of wrapping up a 3-0 series whitewash.
Alec Stewart was speaking to BBC Sport's Sam Sheringham
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Re: England v West Indies
« Reply #125 on: May 31, 2012, 01:49:31 AM »

Roach out for the tour.  Narine in.  Can't wait to see how England do against him.
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Re: England v West Indies
« Reply #126 on: May 31, 2012, 02:51:08 AM »

So assume Narine will come in for Shillingford. (Mind the windows) Tino to replace Roach then?
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Re: England v West Indies
« Reply #127 on: June 06, 2012, 03:11:11 PM »

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-west-indies-2012/content/current/story/567561.html

really? wouldnt you use the keeper in the team already and put a batsman in? I must admit i dont know much about what davies has done this year. anything good other than a little bit in one day cricket?
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Re: England v West Indies
« Reply #128 on: June 06, 2012, 03:28:12 PM »

Maybe seeing as Bairstow is struggling with the bat, it'd be a bit bad to put more pressure on him with the gloves!
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Re: England v West Indies
« Reply #129 on: June 06, 2012, 03:30:55 PM »

possibly, but would you want someone whos not played international cricket for a while being a lower order batsman and keeper? hopefully prior will be fit. worst case atleast its only the windies and we have won the series.
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Re: England v West Indies
« Reply #130 on: June 06, 2012, 03:34:29 PM »

Well yeah theres that, but I think he'd be fine. He seems in good nick in all competitions. I'd like Davies to debut.
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Re: England v West Indies
« Reply #131 on: June 06, 2012, 07:37:09 PM »

Looking at the forecast it's not going to matter who plays....
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Re: England v West Indies
« Reply #132 on: June 06, 2012, 08:02:31 PM »

Prior has said on twitter it is very much a precaution and he fully expects to be fine to play. Our club is going on the Friday...already making plans for a day with no play  :(
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Re: England v West Indies
« Reply #133 on: June 07, 2012, 10:38:49 AM »

I think England should rest Bresnan for this match so he keeps his unbeaten record intact :D because looking at the weather I cannot see anything apart from a draw
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Re: England v West Indies
« Reply #134 on: June 07, 2012, 06:35:03 PM »

Although it was rained off today I got to see a few of the players and shake hands/take pictures which was nice.
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