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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2014, 09:17:11 AM »

Much better. Got very confused!
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2014, 01:48:32 PM »

I thought it was quite a good read, slightly changed my opinion on him a little, it all sounds very honest and I agree with a lot of what he said
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2014, 01:56:42 PM »

To be honest, i think KP as hit the nail on the head there, about england, and about his career. The england selection policy is totally crap, and is going to end in a shed load of losses this summer, our coaching is a pile of floating excrement - ruining up and coming talents like Finn, and to an extent ruining Anderson by making him slow down by about 5 mph. And finally, all England cricket is now, is a set up of yes men, and anyone that slightly rocks the boat (i.e. alex hales, Nick Compton and K.P.) alll get ousted and dont get to play. Bloody ridiculous.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2014, 02:10:46 PM »

To be honest, i think KP as hit the nail on the head there, about england, and about his career. The england selection policy is totally crap, and is going to end in a shed load of losses this summer, our coaching is a pile of floating excrement - ruining up and coming talents like Finn, and to an extent ruining Anderson by making him slow down by about 5 mph. And finally, all England cricket is now, is a set up of yes men, and anyone that slightly rocks the boat (i.e. alex hales, Nick Compton and K.P.) alll get ousted and dont get to play. Bloody ridiculous.

I think Anderson slowing down by 5mph was more to do with the very successful 4 bowler attack and the workload placed on the 3 seamers. Anderson or Broad simply couldn't bowl high 80's/90 as they wouldn't make it through 90 overs. It was noticeable that Broad sped up when Stokes was included and 4 seamers became an option.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2014, 02:17:55 PM »

I agree with large amounts of what was said in the articles

especially around the brand of cricket required to win test matches and about having people in the dressing room willing and articulate enough to challenge the approach and the plans.

Strong leadership must allow challenge and encourage it.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2014, 02:50:18 PM »

I quite like most of what he has to say and agree with a lot of it. im surprised by how many players and television people seem to mention about coaching and trying to make everybody the same and yet nothing seems to change.

I do wish that england would try and play a more exciting brand of cricket and go back to playing 5 bowlers certainly makes for more interesting cricket
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2014, 03:32:29 PM »

Which is why leaving out stokes and buttler is crazy. Both are all rounders, and sad as it seems, I think Prior is probably at the end of his England stay.

I'd love to see a bowling attack of Anderson, Broad, Jordan, "insert name of good spinner here" and Stokes.... Think it would definitely broaden our options.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2014, 03:51:51 PM »

Good article,

I do wonder if the Buttler choice is pushed as KP and Prior have both removed each other from their Christmas card lists....

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« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2014, 04:06:15 PM »

It is one side of the story and is agenda and publicity driven. His PR and comms advisors are clearly following the old motto that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar...

should KP still be playing test cricket? Absolutely. But its his fault as much as the ECBs that he's not.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2014, 05:25:56 PM »

It is one side of the story and is agenda and publicity driven. His PR and comms advisors are clearly following the old motto that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar...

should KP still be playing test cricket? Absolutely. But its his fault as much as the ECBs that he's not.
It's his fault he's not a yes man? Maybe so but that's a bit unfair.

In every team there's people who don't get on, people in club cricket grit their teeth and tolerate each other, so why England can't do the same (and in doing so, select their strongest side) baffles me...
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2014, 05:31:41 PM »

It's his fault he's not a yes man? Maybe so but that's a bit unfair.

In every team there's people who don't get on, people in club cricket grit their teeth and tolerate each other, so why England can't do the same (and in doing so, select their strongest side) baffles me...

totally agree, why they can't do what 95% of club teams (who don't get paid for playing) do each week I don't know.
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2014, 06:02:52 PM »

Wouldn't it be nice to actually know the truth..

Not a bad article though tbf. England are a pretty poorly managed, poorly led side with no real star quality now unfortunately.
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« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2014, 07:59:52 PM »

KP a (nearly) 34 year old batsman with a dodgy knee and an over-inflated ego that did not want to just play tests.

A man who wanted to play T20s to keep his IPL price up?

There are what, 6 new faces in the team over the last few months.

Stokes will be back after a game or two and either Plunkett or Jordan will make way (depending who performs better).

Buttler was not 1st choice for Somerset, so needs a few games under his belt for Lancashire to be fair. I would think Prior for these three tests vs SL and then go from there.

KP makes some good points, but it seems it is a bit late for it.

Time to move on from him.


To say England are poorly managed is a big harsh on the extremely new set-up.

Downton has been in only a few months.

Moores a few weeks.

There is a slow and steady change of management structure.

Until you give it a good chance, how can you say what is or is not a good structure?
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2014, 09:45:30 PM »

KP a (nearly) 34 year old batsman with a dodgy knee and an over-inflated ego that did not want to just play tests.

A man who wanted to play T20s to keep his IPL price up?

There are what, 6 new faces in the team over the last few months.

Stokes will be back after a game or two and either Plunkett or Jordan will make way (depending who performs better).

Buttler was not 1st choice for Somerset, so needs a few games under his belt for Lancashire to be fair. I would think Prior for these three tests vs SL and then go from there.

KP makes some good points, but it seems it is a bit late for it.

Time to move on from him.


To say England are poorly managed is a big harsh on the extremely new set-up.

Downton has been in only a few months.

Moores a few weeks.

There is a slow and steady change of management structure.

Until you give it a good chance, how can you say what is or is not a good structure?

Hue head coach changes.. The suits behind them don't.. There in lays the drama
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Re: Kevin Pietersen... again...
« Reply #44 on: June 10, 2014, 01:42:00 AM »

Good read and pretty spot on in most parts. He doesn't mind giving himself a few pats on the back along the way... :D

The only thing I would disagree on is Giles. The ODI side performed so poorly under Giles, there was no way he could have been test coach.
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