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Re: KP having another hissy fit......
« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2012, 01:01:27 PM »

KP is pretty much the only player who hasn't been rested in almost his whole career - I think Flower and the selectors have been making a point that his scheduled rest period is the IPL and if he plays in that, then he wont get rested from an international.

KP is saying that everyone else gets rested and that the IPL is a major place to learn how to play on the sub continent and to play in "pressure" situations and it isn't his fault he is the only one good enough to get a gig.

so rock and hard place. Is there room for a tour off - yes - but the issue is that if KP has a tour off, he can't be seen to be playing anywhere else when England are playing.

KP has been a hugely positive influence at Surrey - his work rate and pratice sessions are legendary - he isn't like Symonds who has drinking issues - everyone who meets him says he is generous and courteous and the media image isn't how he is in real life.

For me it is imperative that both sides are able to back down and come to a compromise which allows KP to play as much international cricket as he can - he is wonderful to watch and seeing him playing rubbish 2020 village smashes around the world would be a total waste of one of the finest talents of a generation.
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Re: KP having another hissy fit......
« Reply #46 on: August 07, 2012, 01:07:52 PM »

hear hear
very eruditely put, Sir Buzz
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Re: KP having another hissy fit......
« Reply #47 on: August 07, 2012, 01:08:51 PM »

Problem is, the Andocracy seem to have decided that KP must be "disciplied" pour encourager les autres!
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Re: KP having another hissy fit......
« Reply #48 on: August 07, 2012, 01:13:26 PM »

We had a lad in our first team around the Hampshire squad when KP was there. Said he would drop you in a instant, if someone more important in his eyes entered the room. Don't forget when he left Notts, they tipped all his kit over the side from the changing room. Hope he doesn't quit but KP has only ever looked out for himself so i won't be surprised if he walks!
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Re: KP having another hissy fit......
« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2012, 01:18:42 PM »

KP is pretty much the only player who hasn't been rested in almost his whole career - I think Flower and the selectors have been making a point that his scheduled rest period is the IPL and if he plays in that, then he wont get rested from an international.

KP is saying that everyone else gets rested and that the IPL is a major place to learn how to play on the sub continent and to play in "pressure" situations and it isn't his fault he is the only one good enough to get a gig.

so rock and hard place. Is there room for a tour off - yes - but the issue is that if KP has a tour off, he can't be seen to be playing anywhere else when England are playing.

KP has been a hugely positive influence at Surrey - his work rate and pratice sessions are legendary - he isn't like Symonds who has drinking issues - everyone who meets him says he is generous and courteous and the media image isn't how he is in real life.

For me it is imperative that both sides are able to back down and come to a compromise which allows KP to play as much international cricket as he can - he is wonderful to watch and seeing him playing rubbish 2020 village smashes around the world would be a total waste of one of the finest talents of a generation.

I wasn't comparing KP to Symonds, Symonds had issues agreed but instead my point was adminstration might end the career of KP earlier than it should just like Symonds' ended.
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Re: KP having another hissy fit......
« Reply #50 on: August 07, 2012, 01:25:48 PM »

We had a lad in our first team around the Hampshire squad when KP was there. Said he would drop you in a instant, if someone more important in his eyes entered the room. Don't forget when he left Notts, they tipped all his kit over the side from the changing room. Hope he doesn't quit but KP has only ever looked out for himself so i won't be surprised if he walks!

He could well be a psychopath, but he's too good to drop!
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Re: KP having another hissy fit......
« Reply #51 on: August 07, 2012, 01:37:13 PM »

For me this screams of what at times is wrong with the English mindset in sport. For years in the 70's through to the early 00's we have been idolising the rest of the cricketing world who's match winners have all been world beaters and our mere mortals aren't up to scratch. We finally get someone in our side who is genuinely feared by all across the world and we lambast him and treat him like a child. It's a shame as he will play IPL and probably continue to amaze every one as he always does.
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Re: KP having another hissy fit......
« Reply #52 on: August 07, 2012, 01:52:11 PM »

I am not going to comment on who is right or wrong, but one thing I can say from my 2 meetings with KP during a charity event is that he is one of the most humble, polite, generous and friendly cricketers I have met till now. His media image is in total contrast to his real life.

There is not a speck of doubt that he trains harder than any other player, if fitter than most and still has the talent to turn the course of a game single-handedly.

Some of the younger guys can pick-up a lot of from KP - train hard, stay fit, aggression and self-confidence/belief. Even with the world against him, he never gives-up - in fact works harder and hits back harder with performances.

Without KP the English middle order will be even more unsettled, unpredictable and highly inexperienced.

If Eng have any doubt on his capabilities, then why was he sent to open the innings yesterday? Simple because right from Andy Flower to Gooch and all the other guys knew that only KP could change the course of this test in England's favour if he got a quick 50-70. If he was selfish he would have insisted that he play at his normal position.

I think it is his very high degree of self confidence with portrays him as being selfish.

There is not a single player who is not selfish - in fact yet to see a human being who is or has never been selfish. We all are only the degree varies - so the guys who call KP selfish should first prove that they are not selfish.
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Re: KP having another hissy fit......
« Reply #54 on: August 07, 2012, 05:12:33 PM »

For me, KP seems to be a very committed and hard working individual, and he has been a great servant over his time with the England team. He is one of the best batsman in the world on his day, and his record is up there with the best. To lose him at any point would be a big loss to the England team - he is that good - but to lose him right now would leave a big hole in the team. Seriously, since Collingwood "retired" (or was forced to, depends on what you think happened), they have yet to find his replacement. They tried Morgan, who in 16 tests averages just over 30; then Prior got moved up with Patel coming in at seven and that failed; then Bairstow came in and failed to seize his chance (though he does deserve another one at a later date); then they went to Bopara (again) and he failed (again); and now they're trying James Taylor, who showed some promise, but needs time to adapt to international cricket. But so far this year England have used 5 different number six batsmen, and so far none of them have been able to really take hold of that position. So can England afford to let KP retire, which then puts two spots up for debate?

I don't think they can afford to let that happen, because the hole that has been left by Collingwood is nothing compared to the hole that KP would leave. If they can't replace Collingwood, how are they going to replace a batsmen like KP? I'm not sure they can, but I suppose there are three ways they could do it;

1. Bell moves up to four, which then sees Taylor promoted to five, Prior to six, and Patel or another all rounder at seven.
2. Bell moves up to four, which then sees Taylor and another batsman at five and six, with Prior at seven.
3. Bell stays at five, which then sees Taylor and another batsman at four and six, with Prior at seven.

Now in each situation it would take time for that new team to gel, but the problem is the English public expecting things to happen straight away. Morgan's hit and miss start to his test career put a ton of pressure on him. Some argue it was his technique that led him to fail, but I think that the pressure and expectancy placed upon him played a bigger role. After all, Cook and KP's technique has never been perfect and has often been questioned, so it is not beyond possibility that Morgan could have adapted under different circumstances. But that pressure to replace Collingwood, and to win every match, has meant that every set up so far has been under pressure from the outset. I think England have found his replacement in Taylor, but if you take away KP then England have lost two experienced mid order batsmen who that averaged 40 and 50. With that loss, the pressure only gets more for Taylor, and for that matter, everyone in the team.

For me, what England need to do is keep KP at all costs, because at 32 the lad should play well into his mid thirties. Even though his form has been questioned at times, his lowest yearly average was 41.5 in 2010, and since then it has improved. So he is still contributing at a very high level and is very important to the team. As far as I'm concerned, having KP in that side is a fear factor for other teams because they know what he is capable of doing. On his day he is arguably one of the most destructive batsman on the planet and can turn a game on its head - like he did in the last test. Take that away and it will affect the England team. There might be questions around his attitude, and his relationship with management, but ultimately he is too good to let go and that is especially the case while a question mark remains around Strauss' position in the team. In the past three years he has not averaged beyond the low to mid 30s, and last year averaged in the late 20s. If anything, England need to prioritise keeping KP and potentially look at replacing Strauss in the side, with the captaincy going to Cook, and the opening slot going to someone like Denly who has performing quite well, or maybe Compton who has had a very good season and used to open for Middlesex. The worrying thing here is if KP does go, and then is followed by Strauss if he is dropped; that leaves three unproven spots in the team. So keeping KP until the sixth place is solved, and then potentially the new opening spot is solved, for me, should be a priority for the England management.

However, if KP wants to retire and no longer has the desire to play test cricket, or wants to pick and choose what tests he plays and which he does not, then I think it would be best to say goodbye now and move on, rather than wait around. As good as he is, no one is bigger than the team.
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Re: KP having another hissy fit......
« Reply #55 on: August 07, 2012, 08:00:00 PM »

He wants to not play in the NZ series, which I can see his point of several of NZ's best players are at the IPL and won't be playing.
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Re: KP having another hissy fit......
« Reply #56 on: August 07, 2012, 09:23:18 PM »

If Warne was still playing for Australia he would definitely play in the T20 tournaments around the world, and the Aussie board would not have adopted the same stance that the ECB have to KP.

His reputation among the media is unfair, he is a supreme trainer, after his failures in the UAE he said that he was unfit, by his own admissions, so without being asked to, he has come back fitter and stronger and made a 'daddy' hundred against the best bowling attack in the world, and besides Cook, is the only one to have scored a hundred this series.

The ECB needs KP, he does not need them to earn money.
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Re: KP having another hissy fit......
« Reply #57 on: August 08, 2012, 02:32:29 AM »

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Re: KP having another hissy fit......
« Reply #58 on: August 08, 2012, 08:03:57 PM »

The KP plot thickens. I used the word pinnacle in one of my posts and it was mentioned in these tweets on same day! Is the mystery tweeter a forum reader!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/19183540

Clearly big split in the dressing room which may not be repairable.
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Re: KP having another hissy fit......
« Reply #59 on: August 08, 2012, 08:33:48 PM »

Honest this all like kids school games !!! Who said this who said that get on with it and play cricket
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