Topic: Bat making and a blinkered view (Read 10072 times)

junter97 · « **Reply #30 on:** August 31, 2012, 10:08:43 PM »

To be honest I'm not that bothered who or what makes my bats or where they are made. If I like it and it suits me then I don't care. Unless it's made in India, I don't like Indian made bats.

procricket · « **Reply #31 on:** August 31, 2012, 10:12:53 PM »

Then you are truly missing out on some great bats junter

Devil advocate but some of the finest bats out there are indian

PM7 · « **Reply #32 on:** August 31, 2012, 10:23:49 PM »

Exactly what do you hate about Indian made bats Junter?

norbs · « **Reply #33 on:** August 31, 2012, 10:29:54 PM »

Mostly handmade as well, those pesky Southern Asians!

crictech · « **Reply #34 on:** August 31, 2012, 10:54:36 PM »

Quote from: PedalsMcgrew on August 31, 2012, 10:03:54 PM

I just cannot see how a bespoke bat can be offered by a company that doesn't make bats!

Bespoke to me means tailored, made to measure and made to the highest standards possible ( I do not equate 'bespoke' with tat!) The exact tailoring of a bat to my needs can only be achieved if I am stood next to the podshaver and able to have input and answer his questions about what I want whilst he is in the process of making it. At the very least you have to have a conversation with said podshaver, even if you cannot be there in person.

If I am going through a third party then how can I possibly get that service? In most cases, we're not even allowed to know who makes the flippin thing! I'm sure I can get a rough approximation of what I want, but I could never get the same as I get from meeting the podshaver face to face.

Anyway, why should a company that outsources all it's production (not thinking of anyone imparticular here) be able to position themselves in the marketplace alongside the 'real' craftsman just by casually dropping in words like handmade, handcrafted, traditional craftsmanship etc into their marketing?

steady on there. nobody minds a bit of fun or people being passionate about stuff that they have strong opinions on but bandying words like tat and insinuating that some companies bats aren't made by "real" craftsmen is out of order.

the process I developed and the time and money I've spent getting it out there has switched a lot of people on to "bespoke" bats, people that would probably have just gone for an off the shelf bat otherwise, and if you read the reviews in All Out Cricket and Cricketer magazine you'll know that the bats are top quality. the process lends itself to bespoke, you would think that anyone who supports hand crafted bats would be pro something that promotes that type of bat making.

I haven't made the process exclusive. i don't just offer it as part of our bat making service. Everyone has the option to take their "measurements" and go to whichever batmaker or retailer they like.

Johnny · « **Reply #35 on:** September 01, 2012, 04:52:27 AM »

So unless you're stood next to a batmaker it's not a real bespoke bat???

That's rubbish!

Sometimes it's not even about the customer knowing what they want, it's about a batmaker interpreting a players needs and translating it into a bat shape.

For example, Laver&Wood have quite a detailed questionnaire to fill in. Would be interesting to get James and Andy's view on this as I would say they pride themselves on a bespoke service yet quite often their customers are based on the other side of the world.

CricTech have developed an innovative and unique way to gather those requirements. Even though they may not make the bats themselves I think they're still entitled to the 'bespoke' label.

By the way, I had a bespoke suit for my wedding.

This involved going to a company who took all my measurements and discussed cut, as well as colour and trim options... But all those decisions then went to a third party to actually make the suit.. Is it still a bespoke suit? ??

Joe · « **Reply #36 on:** September 01, 2012, 06:46:47 AM »

Quote from: junter97 on August 31, 2012, 10:08:43 PM

To be honest I'm not that bothered who or what makes my bats or where they are made. If I like it and it suits me then I don't care. Unless it's made in India, I hate Indian made bats.

Agree with you there, but I quite like indian bats, as long as they have a decent handle. If a bat works for me then good, it doesn't matter who made it. The perfect bat for you could be an off the shelf Puma bat, and in the same way there could be no perfect off the shelf bat for you and the best one to suit you would be bespoke, that's where I think the crictech process is extremely useful - to let you know what bat you need, basically.

procricket · « **Reply #37 on:** September 01, 2012, 06:54:40 AM »

Quote from: procricket on August 31, 2012, 09:20:11 PM

Only if it made for you and you control everything is it truly bespoke

I go as far as springs in the handle now that is bespoke

And you can get both from a machine to a Podshaver and in my eyes the real Podshaver if done right should charge a higher premium

Of course you do not need to be there

That's why I have desided to get a machine custom i have tried many a custom pod shaver time to give the machine custom a go

pacman75cricket · « **Reply #38 on:** September 01, 2012, 07:23:18 AM »

About honesty I think so people can make an informed decision.

I personally. Found a batmaker local to me, luckily he's a top podshaver so happy with my choice + will continue to use him.

tim2000s · « **Reply #39 on:** September 01, 2012, 07:53:37 AM »

It's interesting as to how we interpret bespoke. Using the suit analogy, I had one made where I was scanned by a 3D scanner, and the measurements sent to Italy electronically where a computer generated the patterns for the suit. It was then made by somebody who I never spoke to.

It was made for me, to my measurements, by someone who knew what they were doing, and the person I interacted with knew what they needed to talk to me about. I don't think this is different to what Richard offers. He has similar information regarding the pattern (the sheets), material weight (weight you are after) and therefore provides something that people are happy with. If this isn't a process you like, by all means use a different one!

tbarnfield99 · « **Reply #40 on:** September 01, 2012, 08:34:42 AM »

Quote from: junter97 on August 31, 2012, 10:08:43 PM

To be honest I'm not that bothered who or what makes my bats or where they are made. If I like it and it suits me then I don't care. Unless it's made in India, I hate Indian made bats.

The biggest contradiction I've ever read!

I don't care in what country my bat is made just as long as it feels right and performs well.

lazza32 · « **Reply #41 on:** September 01, 2012, 08:57:25 AM »

@crictech. Why don't I just go to the batmaker that you use instead of paying you as the middle man. Let's face it your company supplies bespoke bats not makes them and that's the whole argument here. That is why I have a screaming cat, Redink, Blueroom and MG2 bats and will be adding a SAF to that collection. How peed off would you be if you went to a restaurant and paid big bucks for a meal regardless how good it tastes only to find out that the meal was supplied by a little shop down the road for half the price.

junter97 · « **Reply #42 on:** September 01, 2012, 09:07:07 AM »

I don't like Indian made bats because the last two I have used, the handles have gone. I have never broke a bat apart from those two. I know that there are good Indian made bats out there but I don't think I'll be using an Indian made bat anytime soon. Looking at it now, yeah I don't hate them, but I don't like them.

tim2000s · « **Reply #43 on:** September 01, 2012, 09:17:34 AM »

Quote from: lazza32 on September 01, 2012, 08:57:25 AM

@crictech. Why don't I just go to the batmaker that you use instead of paying you as the middle man. Let's face it your company supplies bespoke bats not makes them and that's the whole argument here. That is why I have a screaming cat, Redink, Blueroom and MG2 bats and will be adding a SAF to that collection. How peed off would you be if you went to a restaurant and paid big bucks for a meal regardless how good it tastes only to find out that the meal was supplied by a little shop down the road for half the price.

You don't appear to have read the CricTech website. You undertake the analysis, for which you pay, and that cost comes off the bat that Crictech will supply. The Robert Pack custom bats cost roughly the same price as the Crictech Top Grade bats and H4L Customs are about �300, so I'm a bit at a loss to understand the point about buying the meal and finding you'd pay half the price down the road...

A bespoke bat is a bespoke bat, and the process by which you get to it is what differs. The fact is that the prices charged by Crictech are not out of the ordinary or more expensive than other suppliers. If you want to use the CricTech technology to get to a bat shape, then it will cost you �60, plus the cost of the bat from a different supplier. Alternatively, you can use the supplier that Crictech has a contract with. I would assume that they have worked closely to establish how the sheets turn into a shape, and will probably provide you with a few more details should you care to ask.

Should anyone care, the dictionary definition of Bespoke is:

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made to individual order or specification; custom-made

I don't think anyone can argue that that is what CricTech are doing.

lazza32 · « **Reply #44 on:** September 01, 2012, 09:24:11 AM »

so tim you would be happy to pay for a BMW rebadged as a SAAb

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