Topic: Bat making and a blinkered view (Read 11995 times)

PedalsMcgrew · « **Reply #45 on:** September 01, 2012, 09:24:18 AM »

My only desire is to see the few guys left who are making proper handmade bats, using traditional methods, from start to finish under one roof given a bit of protection/acknowledgement in a way that makes it obvious to the customer.

@Crictech I equate the WORD bespoke to quality, not tat. I don't equate your bats to tat, I've never seen them....

lazza32 · « **Reply #46 on:** September 01, 2012, 09:30:15 AM »

what's tat?

junter97 · « **Reply #47 on:** September 01, 2012, 09:39:17 AM »

Quote from: lazza32 on September 01, 2012, 09:30:15 AM

what's tat?

Tat is bad, you don't want tat, stay away from tat.

PedalsMcgrew · « **Reply #48 on:** September 01, 2012, 09:49:26 AM »

Quote from: tim2000s on September 01, 2012, 07:53:37 AM

It's interesting as to how we interpret bespoke. Using the suit analogy, I had one made where I was scanned by a 3D scanner, and the measurements sent to Italy electronically where a computer generated the patterns for the suit. It was then made by somebody who I never spoke to.

It was made for me, to my measurements, by someone who knew what they were doing, and the person I interacted with knew what they needed to talk to me about. I don't think this is different to what Richard offers. He has similar information regarding the pattern (the sheets), material weight (weight you are after) and therefore provides something that people are happy with. If this isn't a process you like, by all means use a different one!

It's a fair point you make Tim, although I would be interested to know whether the Master Tailors in Saville Row would agree that what you have is a bespoke suit.....I would hazard a guess that they probably don't....

lazza32 · « **Reply #49 on:** September 01, 2012, 10:05:21 AM »

by the oxford definition tim would be right to call his suit bespoke but from a consumer definition I believe people define this as hand made from start to finish.

tim2000s · « **Reply #50 on:** September 01, 2012, 10:07:31 AM »

Quote from: lazza32 on September 01, 2012, 09:24:11 AM

so tim you would be happy to pay for a BMW rebadged as a SAAb

If Saab had spent the time with me to work out what my bespoke car needed to be, provided me with a mock up, and what I got back was what I was expecting at a Saab price, with fully Saab product badging, then yes I would.

Tom · « **Reply #51 on:** September 01, 2012, 10:21:39 AM »

Quote from: PedalsMcgrew on September 01, 2012, 09:49:26 AM

It's a fair point you make Tim, although I would be interested to know whether the Master Tailors in Saville Row would agree that what you have is a bespoke suit.....I would hazard a guess that they probably don't....

There's a similar debate in suits. For example there's a difference between bespoke and made to measure.

The phrase 'Savile Row Bespoke� has been trademarked by the association and you have to meet their stringent requirements to use it.

norbs · « **Reply #52 on:** September 01, 2012, 11:04:17 AM »

Johnny as this is something I've done for a few years this is what I reckon true bespoke made to measure is for me...

I few things can be done by the bat maker before hand but it really requires the person there to do the other stuff
[It would be a nightmare to have this done by different people so it is better down all inhouse]

Guide or help with the pressing you'd like [then done]
Guide or help with the handle you'd like [then done]
Guide or help with handle shape you'd like [then done, actually for all below as well]
Guide or help with Swing weight
Guide or help with Balance pickup you'd like
Guide or help with the shape you'd like
Guide or help with the branding you'd like

and Guide or help sanding if you feeling excitable

tim2000s · « **Reply #53 on:** September 01, 2012, 11:20:04 AM »

I think this comes back to what we understand things to mean. Having a bat made at your workshop and undertaking the whole experience is a level up from getting a bat made to your specs. Both are bespoke bats, with shapes to suit, but what you describe is the Saville Row bespoke, as opposed to, say, the Laver and Wood custom service, which is made exactly to what you asked for, but for a UK buyer, not standing in the workshop.

norbs · « **Reply #54 on:** September 01, 2012, 11:35:51 AM »

Quote from: tim2000s on September 01, 2012, 11:20:04 AM

I think this comes back to what we understand things to mean. Having a bat made at your workshop and undertaking the whole experience is a level up from getting a bat made to your specs. Both are bespoke bats, with shapes to suit, but what you describe is the Saville Row bespoke, as opposed to, say, the Laver and Wood custom service, which is made exactly to what you asked for, but for a UK buyer, not standing in the workshop.

That is a true bespoke I would say [I missed willow selection] but a you can still get something similar without all the bells and whistles and reduce the costs. A bit like your visit, where we did selection [loosely pressing selection], handle shape, middle postiion etc. This can be done via email forms as well and that is what keeps us small bat makers going.

That is, our agility and ability with respects to moving a middle on a shape we offer and or providing true custom offering as well.

I hope that makes sense

tim2000s · « **Reply #55 on:** September 01, 2012, 11:46:32 AM »

It does make sense. And to be fair, I really enjoyed my visit. I think it gives a great feeling that the bat is exactly what you want, and I'd suggest that that is down to being able to balance it in situ.

crictech · « **Reply #56 on:** September 05, 2012, 01:25:21 AM »

Quote from: lazza32 on September 01, 2012, 08:57:25 AM

@crictech. Why don't I just go to the batmaker that you use instead of paying you as the middle man. Let's face it your company supplies bespoke bats not makes them and that's the whole argument here. That is why I have a screaming cat, Redink, Blueroom and MG2 bats and will be adding a SAF to that collection. How peed off would you be if you went to a restaurant and paid big bucks for a meal regardless how good it tastes only to find out that the meal was supplied by a little shop down the road for half the price.

I'm not sure your analogy works, when you're going to a restaurant you pay for a dining experience of which the food is a part, but to answer your question, CricTech has a unique analysis process. There is no middle man for that. There's nothing stopping you taking the analysis results and using them to get your bat made by whoever you like. Obviously I'd prefer we make the bat because that's part of our business and between the bat maker and me we know how to get the best results.

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