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[tim2000s]

Yes, but then I tend to use batmaker who enables me to do that and, as is often the case, who will tell me if I am asking for something that doesn't work. To me that is what getting a custom bat is all about, that interaction with the maker. If you remove that interaction then, to me, it's not a custom bat.

So here's the question. Is a Hades that has it's middle, balance, handle and weight adjusted for the player directly any less custom than an Ultima where the client has complete control over every aspect of the edge, spine, middle position, pressing, etc? And when you provide an answer, please explain why!

[PedalsMcgrew]

I know nothing about SAF bats so I can't really comment about them directly.

What I do know is that when I order a custom bat it's because I can't get the shape of bat I want from a makers stock profiles. If I wanted a stock shape I'd buy one. If I want a custom shape then, assuming you can't find a maker who actually makes that shape then getting someone to custom make you one would seem to be the natural solution. Is one more custom than the other? Well, that would depend on your definition of a custom bat. I've already given mine earlier in this thread. And just because it might not be your view doesn't make it wrong! 

[Tom]

The B3 Bespoke is offered, where you visit and draw up any shape with the Dr on CAD

[Tom]

So here's the question. Is a Hades that has it's middle, balance, handle and weight adjusted for the player directly any less custom than an Ultima where the client has complete control over every aspect of the edge, spine, middle position, pressing, etc? And when you provide an answer, please explain why!

Yes, one is tailor made. The other is bespoke.

One has started out as a shape and you've only adjusted it, like a tailor does with a pattern.
The other has started from scratch with the total buyers input.

The end result could be the same, but it's the process which defines whether it's custom or not. And if there was already a pattern which you've adjusted, then it's different to a totally bespoke cricket bat.

[PedalsMcgrew]

Yes, one is tailor made. The other is bespoke.

One has started out as a shape and you've only adjusted it, like a tailor does with a pattern.
The other has started from scratch with the total buyers input.

The end result could be the same, but it's the process which defines whether it's custom or not. And if there was already a pattern which you've adjusted, then it's different to a totally bespoke cricket bat.

Thank you Tom, far more eloquent than me...

[norbs]

Here is my 2p worth, not on the edge of a bat, just my opinion....

The problem we have here that in general the shapes offered come as standard and those shapes will be based on...

1 bat model having a middle middle, another model will have a mid to low and another a low middle.
This the norm in the wider market...  Because the bigger brands having to provide shops with a range of bats to suit all players and so there business model is just that...

Then we have those that buy in stock shapes and the range is similar to the above... They try to tweak a shape to suit a player and call it a custom but in general the offering is for you to go to a different model... eg. If you ask for a shape you like that has a high middle and ask them to lower it to suit you in general this cant be done...

Then you have those that can move a middle and balance it on any profile shape they make in the range.  So you ask for a customization on a model you like the look of or shape of....

Then you have those that create whatever you want, based on discussions with the bat maker.... we dont have many of these left in the world.  Some companies stop short of copying other peoples shapes but you know they could make it if they wanted to....

I'd bracket the last 2 as custom the levels of customization are different but then again so is the work involved...

[Village Trundler]

Here is my 2p worth, not on the edge of a bat, just my opinion....

The problem we have here that in general the shapes offered come as standard and those shapes will be based on...

1 bat model having a middle middle, another model will have a mid to low and another a low middle.
This the norm in the wider market...  Because the bigger brands having to provide shops with a range of bats to suit all players and so there business model is just that...

Then we have those that buy in stock shapes and the range is similar to the above... They try to tweak a shape to suit a player and call it a custom but in general the offering is for you to go to a different model... eg. If you ask for a shape you like that has a high middle and ask them to lower it to suit you in general this cant be done...

Then you have those that can move a middle and balance it on any profile shape they make in the range.  So you ask for a customization on a model you like the look of or shape of....

Then you have those that create whatever you want, based on discussions with the bat maker.... we dont have many of these left in the world.  Some companies stop short of copying other peoples shapes but you know they could make it if they wanted to....

I'd bracket the last 2 as custom the levels of customization are different but then again so is the work involved...

I reckon that's a pretty good summary.